Watch Rear Admiral Harry Arogundade's Men beat up and strip a helpless lady [Graphic]

Graphic Video: Here's What this "Noble Officer" and his Men did to a lady for obstructing their convoy. Their destination: A drinking Joint.

Follow discussions on this thread on how you can help get justice for this lady. At the very least, Rear Admiral Harry Arogundade should leave the Force.



Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Ewuro posted on 12-02-2008, 11:09:08 AM
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I have heard (Dont quote me yet pls) that she was accused at the Naval panel of assaulting a Naval Rating attached to a Rear Admiral, they said and i quote \\\"She took the whip from him, whipped him in the face and also slapped him whilst doing his official duty\\\", it would have been better if she was there to state her own case, she had an invite to the panel but she stayed away! Now, the staying away is a calculated attempt to disrupt the proceedings, if she had gone there, she would have stated her own case thereby nailing the Rear Admiral and Ratings! Who were the eye-witenesses that gave credence to the case on behalf of the Naval Officer? Someone from the crowd? If yes, you now see reason(s) why she was asked?? to stay away?

Now, have we not shouted, ranted and supported her in vain? Thats why sometimes i dont feel any emotional pain when an Okada hits a Commuter and the crowd shout in union \\\"Melo lo pa ohhhh\\\"- (How many are killed?)


Uzoma and her dad, Colonel Okere did not help their case by talking too much to the press. They were playing the power-game and onto the gallery as well. Okere, the sergeant-at-arms is well connected through the army and his current position.

In any case, I am at a loss why anybody would want to indict the Rear Admiral. Afterall Uzoma herself had corroborated Lanre Oshodi, that the Rear Admiral was not at the scene of the incidence. The corroboration of this alibi by other witnesses has made it crucial to absolving Arogundade of wrongdoing.

It is because of the corroboration of this alibi that some people/politicians now find it necessary to apologise to Arogundade and his family. It is for the this same reason that I call on those of you on NVS who found Arogundade 'guilty' without listening to his side of the story, to examine your conscience and apologise to him.

Did Col (rtd) Okere beg Harry on the phone not to take Uzoma to the police station? If he did, he would be established as a dishonest person because he denied it to the press. He also passed insults on the Rear admiral saying 'he is not fit to wear the rank and uniform.'

The Rear admiral remained silent to the public. As a Rear admiral he would not allow that insult to lie.

Uzoma Okere deserve justice from her persecutors. Arogundade is not that persecutor. It is those navy ratings and the navy/military that encourages their men to believe that they have the power to brutalise members of the public. If anyone wants to villify Arogundade, the person is chasing shadows. That attitude would only enable the real culprits to go free untouched as well.
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Ajimoh posted on 12-02-2008, 11:22:27 AM
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I have heard (Dont quote me yet pls) that she was accused at the Naval panel of assaulting a Naval Rating attached to a Rear Admiral, they said and i quote \\\"She took the whip from him, whipped him in the face and also slapped him whilst doing his official duty\\\", it would have been better if she was there to state her own case, she had an invite to the panel but she stayed away! Now, the staying away is a calculated attempt to disrupt the proceedings, if she had gone there, she would have stated her own case thereby nailing the Rear Admiral and Ratings! Who were the eye-witnesses that gave credence to the case on behalf of the Naval Officer? Someone from the crowd? If yes, you now see reason(s) why she was asked?? to stay away?

Now, have we not shouted, ranted and supported her in vain? Thats why sometimes i dont feel any emotional pain when an Okada hits a Commuter and the crowd shout in union \\\"Melo lo pa ohhhh\\\"- (How many are killed?)


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@Ajimoh
You will be surprised that the advice to Uzoma not to go before the Navy Panel must have come from an unexpected place. A person who is suppose to know better and probably not the Lawyers.



Of course I am not surprised by the accusations, to which she was not present to rebut and counteract. The Naval investigation would have buoyed her court case, armed with her testimony and the written witness statements of her numerous witnesses present on that day. Tonsoyo, your summation indicates you know who might have proffered the tactically damaging advice that she not take part in that proceedings presumably because she had instituted a case against the Navy - an advice which is legally and logically flawed as to be irrational. Care to elucidate? In fact, I consider her decision not to attend that panel as a betrayal of our collective ventilations and quest for justice, which now seems to be hot air and potentially in vain. Nigeria[ns] never cease to amaze!
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Tonsoyo posted on 12-02-2008, 12:56:15 PM
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Tonsoyo, your summation indicates you know who might have proffered the tactically damaging advice that she not take part in that proceedings presumably because she had instituted a case against the Navy - an advice which is legally and logically flawed as to be irrational. Care to elucidate? In fact, I consider her decision not to attend that panel as a betrayal of our collective ventilations and quest for justice, which now seems to be hot air and potentially in vain. Nigeria[ns] never cease to amaze!


Ajimoh,
Not that I know, I suspect, but of course I have envisaged this turn of event. The failure of Uzoma to attend that sitting is not just a strategical blunder, but it looks every inch to me a deliberate act of sabotage.
It is common-sensical and should be apparent that she had nothing to lose by attending.

Can't you see that it is a clever way to at least get Arogundade to keep his job whatever may be the outcome of the court case? Her excuse that she was frustrated from attending because of a change in venue just does not hold waters.
Giving the public outcry and the support that she got, she must have been prepared to attend the sittings even if the venue was changed to Gashua overnight, moreso she claimed it was moved from Island to Apapa and therefore she could not attend.

Did anybody here remember that I said we should secure the extent of her commitment before we ventured? She already said that she did not attend a sitting invstigating her own abuse because the venue was changed. So much for determination.

I go just siddon here dey look.
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Ajimoh posted on 12-02-2008, 12:58:36 PM
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Uzoma and her dad, Colonel Okere did not help their case by talking too much to the press. They were playing the power-game and onto the gallery as well. Okere, the sergeant-at-arms is well connected through the army and his current position.

In any case, I am at a loss why anybody would want to indict the Rear Admiral. Afterall Uzoma herself had corroborated Lanre Oshodi, that the Rear Admiral was not at the scene of the incidence. The corroboration of this alibi by other witnesses has made it crucial to absolving Arogundade of wrongdoing.

It is because of the corroboration of this alibi that some people/politicians now find it necessary to apologise to Arogundade and his family. It is for the this same reason that I call on those of you on NVS who found Arogundade 'guilty' without listening to his side of the story, to examine your conscience and apologise to him.

Did Col (rtd) Okere beg Harry on the phone not to take Uzoma to the police station? If he did, he would be established as a dishonest person because he denied it to the press. He also passed insults on the Rear admiral saying 'he is not fit to wear the rank and uniform.'

The Rear admiral remained silent to the public. As a Rear admiral he would not allow that insult to lie.

Uzoma Okere deserve justice from her persecutors. Arogundade is not that persecutor. It is those navy ratings and the navy/military that encourages their men to believe that they have the power to brutalise members of the public. If anyone wants to villify Arogundade, the person is chasing shadows. That attitude would only enable the real culprits to go free untouched as well.


You are very correct to say that Uzoma and her father talked too much to the press. However, I will disagree with the majority of your conclusions. You pondered why anyone would want to indict Arogundade since he was not at the scene of the incident? So unless he was physically at the scene of the incident, no blame could possibly attach to him? Not even for the fact that he appears not to have condemned the assault by the ratings? Not even for the careless statement made to the girl that she should consider herself lucky that she was not shot? Shot for what? Planning a coup against Harry Arogundade, the president of Nigeria? Rear Admiral Harry Arogundade remains, in my view, an 'accessory after the fact' and that is because I agree [based on his own side] that he was not there and did not order the brutalization. After realizing the unlawful brutalization however, what was his reaction? Did he even ask the ratings to apologise to Uzoma? Did he chide the ratings in her presence, even if unreal?

Did Uzoma's father beg Harry not to take his daughter to the police station? If he did not, I question what sort of father he is. I certainly would say the same thing in the heat of the moment, listening to the wailing of my daughter and having not heard the full story. Would I want my daughter further distressed, knowing that if a Rear Admiral of the Navy {equivalent of a Major-General in the Army} books a person into the police station in Nigeria, not even the Inspector General of Police will release that person without speaking to the Rear Admiral first! So, my take is, so what if the father begged Harry? It would establish him as a liar [assuming he has lied] by denying it - and he may well have been misquoted -!! Does this begging issue go to the root of culpability for the unlawful assault? No, unless one wants to chase shadows. The same thing applies to whether or not the Rear Admiral was present. The main issue is whether he had condoned it in any manner. On balance, it is my personal conviction that he had condoned it subsequently by his actions or/and utterances. This is a necessarily subjective view, as I have not heard from him. However, I have heard from members of his family who gave reasons that Ewuro has given [that Harry was not present at the scene] and added that, in any event, we are being hoodwinked into believing that Uzoma was ever assaulted by the ratings!

Why have I come out so unashamedly bold and judgemental? I rely on personal and professional experience, based on two reasons. First, every military officer that I have read about [and in Nigeria, defended] has always passed the buck to the subordinates, because it is so convenient and easy to do so in order to avoid responsibility for criminal acts. I knew from the start that Harry Arogundade would do the same thing and the ratings [in view of the video evidence] will [or may?] bear the ultimate responsibility.

Second, I cannot possibly absolve Rear Admiral Arogundade based on the internationally acknowledged principle of Command Responsibility. The doctrine of superior responsibility prescribes the criminal liability of those persons who, being in positions of command, have failed to either prevent or punish the crimes of their subordinates - see Military Law Review, vol. 62, 1973 at page 1.

Is it reasonably foreseeable, in the Nigerian context, that Naval ratings would assault civilians who fail to cede way quickly to a convoy? The answer is yes. If you are at the head of that convoy, how do you mitigate dangers of the likelihood? By prior warning to your subordinates, never to assault any member of the public [male or female] should an altercation ensue. So therefore, anticipating Ewuro's defence, Harry Arogundade could have prevented it pro-actively. My authority for that is easily found in Military Journals and works of many retired Generals. Close to home, I refer you to the sterling example below:

[INDENT]While addressing soldiers departing for Jos at the NAF Base, Kaduna yesterday, the General Officer Commanding 1 Division of the Nigerian Army, Maj. Gen. Moses Obi was reported [in the Guardian of 01 December 2008] to have warned them to avoid any act that could put them in trouble, adding that they should refrain from brutalising civilians while maintaining peace in the city.

Quoting Maj. Gen Obi, "You are going for your normal internal security duty. I don't want to hear you brutalise any civilian. You are performing your constitutional duty. You must realise that you must protect lives and property. You are going there for the normal internal security operations. Above all, discipline must be your watchword. I will not want to get complaints about any of you".
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Ewuro, with the above, you can see the approach to be adopted by any commander in charge of troops. You do not wait for them to strip a woman in public or shoot a civilian dead before taking proactive preventive measures. You warn them that they are not to engage in acts of lawlessness. When they do step out of line, you condemn their actions immediately and proceed to discipline the erring ones. Has Harry Arogundade done so? Assuming he did, his actions afterwards betrays that and, additionally, conveys a lack of the necessary animus that he would punish the actions of his subordinates in question.

I continue to hold him ultimately responsible for the assault committed by men under his watch. The fact that Uzoma may get the kind of justice peculiar to Nigeria does not mean I am going to close my eyes to the obvious. Rear Admiral Harry Arogundade deserves no apology and will not get one from me. I hold him responsible then & now and see nothing to warrant a change in my stance. I stand by my vilification of him, simply on the strength of the after-event.

Just a point of clarification, sir. You say,
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Uzoma Okere deserve justice from her persecutors. Arogundade is not that persecutor. It is those navy ratings and the navy/military that encourages their men to believe that they have the power to brutalise members of the public
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It is those Navy ratings and the Navy/Military that encourages their men to believe that they have the power to brutalize members of the public? You really think Harry Arogundade is not her persecutor? The Rear Admiral saw no evil, heard no evil? Is Harry Arogundade not a very senior member of the Navy/Military? His utterances to Uzoma that she could have been shot; would that not encourage any Naval rating to shoot anyone who dares to confront them in the future?
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Tonsoyo posted on 12-02-2008, 13:22:00 PM
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You are very correct to say that Uzoma and her father talked too much to the press. However, I will disagree with the majority of your conclusions. You pondered why anyone would want to indict Arogundade since he was not at the scene of the incident? So unless he was physically at the scene of the incident, no blame could possibly attach to him? Not even for the fact that he appears not to have condemned the assault by the ratings? Not even for the careless statement made to the girl that she should consider herself lucky that she was not shot? Shot for what? Planning a coup against Harry Arogundade, the president of Nigeria? Rear Admiral Harry Arogundade remains, in my view, an 'accessory after the fact' and that is because I agree [based on his own side] that he was not there and did not order the brutalization. After realizing the unlawful brutalization however, what was his reaction? Did he even ask the ratings to apologise to Uzoma? Did he chide the ratings in her presence, even if unreal?


Did Uzoma's father beg Harry not to take his daughter to the police station? If he did not, I question what sort of father he is. I certainly would say the same thing in the heat of the moment, listening to the wailing of my daughter and having not heard the full story. Would I want my daughter further distressed, knowing that if Rear Admiral books a person into the police station in Nigeria, not even the IG will release you without speaking to the Rear Admiral first! So, my take is so what if the father begged Harry? It would establish him as a liar [assuming he has lied] by denying it - and he may well have been misquoted -!! Does this begging issue go to the root of culpability for the unlawful assault? No, unless one wants to chase shadows. The same thing applies to whether or not the Rear Admiral was present. The main issue is whether he had condoned it in any manner. On balance, it is my personal conviction that he had condoned it subsequently by his actions or/and utterances. This is a necessarily subjective view, as I have not heard from him. However, I have heard from members of his family who gave reasons that Ewuro has given [that Harry was not present at the scene] and added that, in any event, we are being hoodwinked into believing that Uzoma was ever assaulted by the ratings!

Why have I come out so unashamedly bold and judgemental? I rely on personal and professional experience, based on two reasons. First, every military officer that I have read about [and in Nigeria, defended] has always passed the buck to the subordinates, because it is so convenient and easy to do so in order to avoid responsibility for criminal acts. I knew from the start that Harry Arogundade would do the same thing and the ratings [in view of the video evidence] will [or may?] bear the ultimate responsibility.

Second, I cannot possibly absolve Rear Admiral Arogundade based on the internationally acknowledged principle of Command Responsibility. The doctrine of superior responsibility prescribes the criminal liability of those persons who, being in positions of command, have failed to either prevent or punish the crimes of their subordinates - see Military Law Review, vol. 62, 1973 at page 1.

Is it reasonably foreseeable, in the Nigerian context, that Naval ratings would assault civilians who fail to cede way quickly to a convoy? The answer is yes. If you are at the head of that convoy, how do you mitigate dangers of the likelihood? By prior warning to your subordinates, never to assault any member of the public [male or female] should an altercation ensue. So therefore, anticipating Ewuro's defence, Harry Arogundade could have prevented it pro-actively. My authority for that is easily found in Military Journals and works or retired Generals. Close to home, I refer you to the sterling example below:

[INDENT]While addressing soldiers departing for Jos at the NAF Base, Kaduna yesterday, the General Officer Commanding 1 Division of the Nigerian Army, Maj. Gen. Moses Obi was reported [in the Guardian of 01 December 2008] to have warned them to avoid any act that could put them in trouble, adding that they should refrain from brutalising civilians while maintaining peace in the city.

Quoting Maj. Gen Obi, \"You are going for your normal internal security duty. I don't want to hear you brutalise any civilian. You are performing your constitutional duty. You must realise that you must protect lives and property. You are going there for the normal internal security operations. Above all, discipline must be your watchword. I will not want to get complaints about any of you\".
[/INDENT]

Ewuro, with the above, you can see the approach to be adopted by any commander in charge of troops. You do not wait for them to strip a woman in public or shoot a civilian dead before taking proactive preventive measures. You warn them that they are not to engage in acts of lawlessness. When they do step out of line, you condemn their actions immediately and proceed to discipline the erring ones. Has Harry Arogundade done so? Assuming he did, his actions afterwards betrays that and, additionally, conveys a lack of the necessary animus that he would punish the actions of his subordinates in question.

I continue to hold him ultimately responsible for the assault committed by men under his watch. The fact that Uzoma may get the kind of justice peculiar to Nigeria does not mean I am going to close my eyes to the obvious. Rear Admiral Harry Arogundade deserves no apology and will not get one from me. I hold him responsible then & now and see nothing to warrant a change in my stance. I stand by my vilification of him, simply on the strength of the after-event.

Just a point of clarification, sir. You say, .
It is those Navy ratings and the Navy/Military that encourages their men to believe that they have the power to brutalize members of the public? You really think Harry Arogundade is not her persecutor? The Rear Admiral saw no evil, heard no evil? Is Harry Arogundade not a very senior member of the Navy/Military? His utterances to Uzoma that she could have been shot; would that not encourage any Naval rating to shoot anyone who dares to confront them in the future?
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Tonsoyo says:
I have to disagree with some parts of your submissions here. If Arogundade was not at scene of the incident, that means he was not at the scene. Even the video did not put him there, we are not sure if Uzoma corroborated that story or not.
I do not know about 'accessory after the fact' in this type of case. The statement that "she should consider herself lucky that she was not shot" could be interpreted to mean that he was only trying to give a fatherly advise about the danger of entering into altercation with men with guns on the street, not necesaarily that his boys were right. If I say to you that it is stupid to argue with armed robbers who invaded your home, or when Dr. Azikiwe said "only a fool argues with a man with the gun" does that necessarily mean that the robbers or the man with the gun is right? no, yet it is a useful piece of advice to the victim.

Another issue raised by you is the issue of discpline, what time did Arogundade have to punish his ratings? The video showed up on the internet the same day the incident occured and his persecution followed immediately, even if he would have punished his errant juniors, he never had the chance.

If Uzoma's father actually begged the Rear Admiral on phone, it is equally important to the case.
If I am a Retired Colonel serving as the Sergeant-in Arms at the nations highest law-making body and in fact a Senior to the Military Officer who brutalizes my own daughter, my natural instinct will be to get hold of him and tear him to pieces and not to apologize to him, except I genuinely believe my daughter has done something wrong. It is a different thing, if I am a hapless Danfo Driver at Oshodi. Why begged him while listening to your daughter crying on phone?

The later event as reported showed that Arogundade gave her a shirt and asked her to head to an hospital, which will show a kind of cordial ending of discussion with her Dad.

I believe it is the ordinary Nigerians who felt personally scandalized watching the barbaric act that blew it out of the hands of how Col. Okere rtd. and Rear Admiral Arogundade would have wanted the case closed. Since they are products of the same institution of brutality.

I guess they finally found their way around the issue.
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Dapxin posted on 12-02-2008, 13:26:05 PM
O ga o.

So all things considered now,

even when have the whole, at least ,the juicy part,

of the godda m show on tape, stored somewhere on CNN's servers,

and you and I saw it,

Its is going to be family affair ?

I dont know what to think, but it is unfortunate...

Its is little acts of betrayal, spinelessness, and docility, or call it whatever

that we are sniffing here, or becoming apparent by the day,

that makes it such a pain, to be a Nigerian.

A heartful one at that. You are sabotaged, every corner of the way...

Once more, I am forced to take solace in that overused phrase.

One day go be oooooooooone day.....
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Dapxin posted on 12-02-2008, 13:28:59 PM
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I guess they finally found their way around the issue.


Paddy Paddy Arrangement. So much for the rule of law....
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Ewuro posted on 12-02-2008, 13:57:51 PM
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Not even for the careless statement made to the girl that she should consider herself lucky that she was not shot?
Did anybody else hear Arogundade utter those words? Was it recorded anywhere? What makes you so sure he made those 'careless statements? If Colonel Okere could deny whatever he said as you have submitted, what stops Arogundade from denying what you called the 'careless statement'? Arogundade might as well be misquoted, using your own words and parameters.I am not a lawyer,but no one can fault this logic.
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On balance, it is my personal conviction that he had condoned it subsequently by his actions or/and utterances. This is a necessarily subjective view, as I have not heard from him.
Your views remain subjective. Arogundade's actions, so called utterances are subject to many interpretations as the number of people commenting. Fortunately you have read Tonsoyo's interpretation. Fom my studies of logic, if a statement is subject to many interpretations it is undefined. A non-definitive statement is not subject to prepondance of probailities so should not be factored into a decision making mechanism.
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It would establish him as a liar [assuming he has lied] by denying it - and he may well have been misquoted -!!
Ajimoh, I read you argue vigorously that it is possible to request for records of phone conversations from the service providers. That record should show up the liar.

The essence of your submissions in this instance is based on too many speculations, and subjective interpretation of events. You admitted to some of that yourself. Nothing has been heard from Rear Admiral Arogundade. Utterances from members of his family, none of them a witness to the events are also subjective and speculative opinions. You cannot rely on those. On the other hand, Uzoma and father made statements, some recorded, damagng their position.

Nothing, absolutely nothing has come to the fore implicationg Arogundade. In many cases and certainly in this case, the ratings also have resposibilities as to their conduct in public life. I make bold to say down the line, an admiral (general) does not even give his orders to a rating. He hands his orders to an intermediate officer who effects command. I believe the role of those ratings under the command of the intermediate officer is to ensure the safe passage of the Rear admiral. So your references to legaleze on this occassion is not very appropriate.


Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Bob posted on 12-02-2008, 19:48:19 PM
13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

i read in the press recently that ms okere is relying on the civil courts for justice.
ajimoh, i applaud your patient effort to unravel warped minds.
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Pa Bj posted on 12-03-2008, 00:50:52 AM
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13\"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

i read in the press recently that ms okere is relying on the civil courts for justice.
ajimoh, i applaud your patient effort to unravel warped minds.


Bros,

Don't mind the "Emergency Lawyers" that are trying to defend the indefensible!!!

One day, it will either be their turn, or the turn of their wife or daughter.

What goes around, will ultimately come around. Be it Justice or Beatings, as the case may be.

Pa Bj
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