Watch Rear Admiral Harry Arogundade's Men beat up and strip a helpless lady [Graphic]

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Graphic Video: Here's What this "Noble Officer" and his Men did to a lady for obstructing their convoy. Their destination: A drinking Joint.

Follow discussions on this thread on how you can help get justice for this lady. At the very least, Rear Admiral Harry Arogundade should leave the Force.

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Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Omoluabi posted on 11-09-2008, 13:04:09 PM
Arogundade was there; he was not there; if he was there but was not there, could he have been there ?

If he was not there but was there, can he be culpable for not been there but being there ?

"Bi o ba ri turnu righti l'eko o, ore mi, la'ju e, turnu lefu lo'ri o!" Translation: ("If you see a sign that says turn left in Lagos, my friend, open your eyes well, what you really see is a sign that says turn left !") -- Fela Anikulapo-Kuti

di gan ri gan....ttc, ttc.

Abeg, second base jare....
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Ajimoh posted on 11-09-2008, 13:19:41 PM
QUOTE:
Hi, folks!

Meanwhile, what stops the National Assembly from passing a LAW that EXPLICITLY
prohibits:

(a) the use of horse whips by law enforcement personnel, and

(b)
the harassment of road users by convoys?

Muchas gracias.

Don Juan-Carlos ABRAXAS
(III)



There are laws preventing everything you have listed [see the body of the petition to the President]. If you ask for a distinct law against the use of horse whips [kobokos], it will become a joke because we would then need a law against slapping! Slapping, use of horse-whips, military belts, gun butts, etc are variants of the generic criminal act called assault [see also Armed Forces Act, section 104] or aggravated assault under the latter Act

The problem with Nigeria as a society bothers on implementation. Is there no law against stealing in Nigeria? However, those tasked with enacting, executing, implementing/enforcing the law are usually trough-deep in the treasuries in the various tiers of government. The Quran and the Bible enjoins followers not to lie, steal, commit adultery, etc, but what do your typical pastor & Imam do? Need I say more? Just look at the calibre of the people masquerading as democrats now! Some had violently participated in overthrowing elected Governments or/and prevented an elected candidate taking his mandate [IBB, Olagunsoye Oyinlola [Art connoisseur!], David Mark, ET AL?]

I would say however that most of our existing laws need revising to increase the penalties attached to the various offences and to expunged some of the archaic ones from the statute book. These are the duties of our legislators - but wait...are they the ones equipping themselves with state of the art cars in controversial circumstances? There you go!!
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
WaleAkin posted on 11-09-2008, 13:35:19 PM
QUOTE:
Hi, folks!

Meanwhile, what stops the National Assembly from passing a LAW that EXPLICITLY prohibits:

(a) the use of horse whips by law enforcement personnel, and

(b) the harassment of road users by convoys?

Muchas gracias.

Don Juan-Carlos ABRAXAS (III)
Just wondering if you really have an idea on how governmental matters are run in Nigeria. The other day, i ran into the convoy of Senator Olorunimbe Mamora(Former Speaker, Lagos House of Assembly and now a federal Senator)! Venue? Little Road, Yaba and he was on full siren! Little Road is some "long" miles from the Senate building, 3 Arms Way, Abuja.

Now, how do you tell the Legislators to pass a bill on the ban of siren usage when they are the first beneficiaries? Common Commissioners in Lagos state use the siren at full blast.

Let me tell you a secret.......Bank Chief Executives use the siren............Even Church Pastors..........Paul Adefarasin
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Ajimoh posted on 11-09-2008, 14:02:52 PM
QUOTE:
The Interview with Uzoma Okere failed to place Rear Admiral Arogundade in the convoy or at the scene of the assault incidence.


  • The exchanges between Uzoma and the admiral happened in a house in Muri Okunola Street where Uzoma was taken, though in an unlawful arrest.
    In which case, he becomes an accessory after the fact.

  • By devils advocate, those exchanges would be her words against his unless they are corroborated by a witness.
    Corroboration by Colonel Okere (rtd), combined with Uzoma's will carry higher evidential value than you think. Politically, David Mark was an Army officer, so is Uzoma's father, so if the Colonel decides to go all the way, I cannot see Arogundade getting off lightly. If he has any sense, he will go to Abuja and prostrate flat before Colonel Okere [highly likely] and David Mark, whereupon Uzoma would be told to forgive the matter as a father's indiscretion which has to be dealt with by the family! I pray that she refuses.

  • If it is deemed that the Admiral was not in the convoy, the ratings are on their own, likely to carry the can.
    The presence of the Admiral in the convoy is immaterial, given the facts here. He asked for the unlawful arrest of a citizen of Nigeria. An ordinary citizen, unknown to most, has a power of arrest but under a different circumstance to the scenario presented here. I could arrest you, for example, if I witness you defiling a woman or committing grievous bodily harm, etc.

  • Should there be a siren installed in an admiral's vehicle? That is a question for the whole Navy, most likely even Colonels cars do have sirens in Nigeria.
    There is no law [even Military Law], known to me, which prescribe sirens for Admirals cars. Militarily, a full Colonel should not have the use of sirens. Military lawyers are welcome to set the record straight.

  • Is Arogundade culpable if he was not in the convoy? Very difficult to come to that conclusion without further evidences.


Assuming Arogundade had not unlawfully asked Uzoma to be brought before him, he would have walked easily from this even though he was directing the illegality from the background. Sometimes, I marvel at the intellect of some of our very highly placed officials. He has an ADC but had to show his face to the girl to put the fear of God in her. Unfortunately, I am yet to see any soldier child who is afraid of being whipped so he goofed in thinking Uzoma would be cowed. Also, we hear that whilst she was being pounded by the cowards in Naval uniforms, they repeatedly asked, "do you know what it means to be a Rear Admiral". With the circumstantial evidence, do you still thing he was not around and culpable?

With respect to the family's inchoate excuses, they need somebody who has more sense than brawn to advise them quickly on what to do before it is too late. My free advice to Rear Admiral Harry Arogundade and his family is this:

[INDENT]You have made a terrible mistake. As human beings [even Naval officers are human beings, aren't they?] we are all fallible, so admit you made a mistake. Since you know Uzoma is old enough to be your daughter, you have committed a grievous assault by condoning what your escorts did. There is still time to get the case withdrawn from the court. Make an unequivocal apology to Uzoma and all the other people assaulted on the day in question, meet all their legal and medical expenses. Finally, apologise to the Nigerian Navy and the Commander in Chief for bringing the uniform into disrepute. With such honourable gestures, tender your resignation from the Nigerian Navy for the embarrassment caused to that establishment. That way, you will still retain your full entitlement and we will all forgive you as an erring parent. To err is human, to forgive divine.[/INDENT]

On the other hand, you may choose to tough it out by a false sense of military bravado. There are SANs [I mean Stupid Advocates!] waiting in the wings to defend you [knowing fully well that that would mean more money than sense on your part]. A real and erudite Senior Advocate of Nigeria [Governor Fashola of Lagos State] has already apologised for what you and your ratings had done to Uzoma; see, that is the stuff real men are made of.
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Ewuro posted on 11-09-2008, 14:47:32 PM
Notice that Tunde Fashola SAN, the governor of lagos state also stated \"Of course we have to listen to what the other parties have to say\". We made a lot of judgements without listening to the other parties. Naibada and co are not the other parties. They were not witnesses to the event. We prosecuted through the media and made judgements and conclusions.

There is no doubt, a wrong was done on Ms Okere. A very bad assault. The question is who initiated the assault. Who should be punished? Is it Arogundade? The ratings? or all of them? The answers only lie in a judicial investigation where both sides have opportunities to tell their stories. The answer does not lie in media prosecution and mob action.

Did Arogundade say the girl should be brought to him? The admiral remains silent to the public even now. Has he really admitted that? Is it not possible that the ratings dragged the innocent young lady, handcuffed on their initiative? Who ordered the hadcuff to be removed.? Was the removal of that handcuff prompt enough? What stories about the incident was narrated to the admiral? I can assure you the defence lawyers would be asking many questions to ensure that Arogundade is not indicted.

I believe the spokeperson for Arogundade family chose his words carefully having been adequately briefed by some smart lawyers in lagos.

The more Ms Okere and co talks to the press, the more ammunition he gives to her tomentors to develop a more robust defence.

In the eyes of the law, Arogundade and the ratings are still innocent until proven guilty, despite the video footage which in it self indicted the ratings but not Arogundade.

I am on the side of justice and my motivation is for an end to all types of brutality, especially military or police brutality in Nigeria. This is achievable by ensuring the implementation of laws to punish culprits.

If Arogundade was waiting for those rating in that house while the assault occured, we need more evidence in order to establish his culpability. The fact that Ms Okere is saying to the press that the admiral said this and that does not mean the admiral would admit he said those things in front a tribunal or in a law court.

We do not have the details of the phone call between the admiral and retired Colonel Okere.

We should not speculate on that and many other issues as well.

Going by the public interest and presidential instructions for a probe in the matter, the admiral would have been advised to consult lawyers and I suspect one their strategies is the issue of a public statement by the family.

If that statement and Miss Okere press interview, is enough to sound a cautionary note for people like me, only God knows what other views they have in store for the panel of invetigators and the court.

I have enough experience in this world to know that a seemingly good case becomes well distorted by lawyers in courts and even the culprits are set free. A media conviction does not always translate to judicial conviction.
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Somebody posted on 11-09-2008, 14:56:51 PM
QUOTE:
According to Oshodi, Arogundade was neither in the convoy when the incident occured nor did he order the assualt on the lady as published in some national dailies.


This people really think Nigerians are so gullible, who was the Navy spokesman referring to when he said

QUOTE:
\"Instead, she jumped out of her car, switched it off, and forcefully took the whip from him (rating), telling him that we are in a democracy, that he (rating) had no right to hit her car.

A colleague of the rating then followed the lady and collected the whip from her. When the Admiral learnt that there was altercation between a lady and a rating in front, he asked that the lady be brought to him.


Surely if he heard of the altercation with a rating in front, his car was behind the incident involving his rating and the girl and he probably saw some of it. He probably drove off cause no point hanging around in traffic while his animals were beating Uzoma (this is me speculating) BUT I am curious as to how Arogundade heard of the fight when his six ratings were beating this girl. Perhaps, one of them phoned oga and said oga we are beating a girl who refused to move out of the way for US not Arogundade o since they now claim he wasn't in the convoy OR maybe one of the ratings ran to go and tell Arogundade since it was only six blocks away. Then Arogundade was so bothered that a girl young enough to be his daughter did not make way for his ratings convoy that he had to meet her...Interesting!!
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Foxcatcher posted on 11-09-2008, 15:30:56 PM
The family's statement is disingenious by far. It is also interesting. As Ewuro has observed, I can see the hand of my colleagues behind the press statement.

H/e, there is a factor we must not overlook: i.e., the abundance of eyewitnesses at the scene of the incident. This was not something that happened in some obscure corner.

We have at least 5 people who were in the car with Uzoma.

We have several others who witnessed the fracas and who were concerned enough to follow the convoy to the Guest House.

If the lawyers of Uzoma and the LASG obtain depositions from many of these (the PriceWaterHouse staff are a good place to start), the Rear Whatever is sunk. If sufficient number can state they saw Arogundade in that convoy, it will be sufficient evidence to sway the court.

Also, calls should be made for those who have extra footage of the incident. It is possible some others in neighbouring buildings also filmed the fracas. They may give a wider angle of coverage that would help her case.

This is why our effort on NVS must be sustained. We must give such witnesses the confidence and courage to come forward. We must let them know they are not alone and that their little blow will count and go a long way.

Finally, Judges are not fools. They read between the lines. There is a lot that a Judge would use to ascertain the weight given to any testimony. In this case, it would be difficult for RAA to deny culpability in my humble opinion.

Ciao
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Ewuro posted on 11-09-2008, 15:59:03 PM
QUOTE:
The family's statement is disingenious by far. It is also interesting. As Ewuro has observed, I can see the hand of my colleagues behind the press statement.

H/e, there is a factor we must not overlook: i.e., the abundance of eyewitnesses at the scene of the incident. This was not something that happened in some obscure corner.

We have at least 5 people who were in the car with Uzoma.

We have several others who witnessed the fracas and who were concerned enough to follow the convoy to the Guest House.

If the lawyers of Uzoma and the LASG obtain depositions from many of these (the PriceWaterHouse staff are a good place to start), the Rear Whatever is sunk. If sufficient number can state they saw Arogundade in that convoy, it will be sufficient evidence to sway the court.

Also, calls should be made for those who have extra footage of the incident. It is possible some others in neighbouring buildings also filmed the fracas. They may give a wider angle of coverage that would help her case.

This is why our effort on NVS must be sustained. We must give such witnesses the confidence and courage to come forward. We must let them know they are not alone and that their little blow will count and go a long way.

Finally, Judges are not fools. They read between the lines. There is a lot that a Judge would use to ascertain the weight given to any testimony. In this case, it would be difficult for RAA to deny culpability in my humble opinion.

Ciao

If he indeed he was in that convoy, the admiral is sunk. What if not. Are the witnesses going to lie on oath saying he was there while he was not.

In her interview, there was no where that Uzoma said he saw the admiral at the scene.

Even then admiral still has questions to answer about how prompt he ordered the handcuff to be removed. What stories were told by the ratings?
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
AwakeNigeria posted on 11-09-2008, 16:59:35 PM
Nigerians have spoken. They spoke from the United Kingdom, Ireland, the Netherlands, China, USA, Qatar, South Africa, UAE, Canada, Belgium, Japan, Australia, Trinidad and Tobago, Sierra Leone, Sweden, Austria, Oman, Russia, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Spain, Finland, Germany, Greece, Brazil, Malaysia, Sudan, Kuwait, Hungary, Iraq, Cyprus, Italy, Oman Norway, Ghana, Denmark, Cote D'Ivoire, et al. Also, their voices could be heard loud and clear at home.

The message is clear. It is enshrined in the NVS protest letter. And, the evidence is incontestable.

Going forward, as someone has already advised on this thread, all Nigerians should own and carry about their camera phones about ready to capture live scenes, until we collectively bring about justice in our land.

Meanwhile, the whole wide world is waiting to see if the rule of law will prevail.
Re: Meanwhile, in Nigeria: Naval ratings beat, strip lady naked
Anike posted on 11-09-2008, 18:00:49 PM
Raynosa,

Good observation, if you ask me.

That said, it's important that we speak up against it because it could be anyone tomorrow... it happens to the innocent people everyday. These guys are just "unfortunate" this time that they were caught on tape. On the victim's comment:
QUOTE:
So, if he apologises, you won't go to court?

Yes...
This is what I don't get. Is this about whether or not he apologizes. So if he apologizes and things get back to the way they were(/are) that will be okay with this lady? Until it happens to another person. The video does not tell us exactly what transpired before the she got assaulted... she very well could have refused to make way for the convoy (not the smartest thing imo, especially knowing how mad these military men can be), but that should not authorize them to dehumanize her the way they did. She obviously isn't be the first, let's hope she is one of the last victims.
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