Why We Do Not Need another Crisis in Nigeria

WHY WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER CRISIS IN NIGERIA

Ozodi Thomas Osuji

 In politics there are essentially two schools of thought: Political Realism and Political Idealism. 

 Political realism (see Machiavelli, Hobbes, Locke, Pareto, Otto Von Bismarck, Prince Metternich, Joseph Schumpeter, Edward Carr, Morgenthau, Kissinger etc) has a dim, negative and pessimistic view of human nature. It takes a look at history, reality, and what it sees are men always killing men. As it sees it, men are territorial animals and are always fighting for the control of specific territories. The stronger dominate the weak and that is all there is to it. If the weak is shrewd it finds a non-military way to get back at the strong. Extrapolating from objective history, political realists believe that human beings would always be ruled by the more powerful or the more astute.

 In International politics political realists point out that throughout human history powerful groups (the nation state is a relative new phenomenon in politics, it came into being after the 100 years religious wars between Catholics and Protestants in Europe at the treaty of Westphalia in 1648) rule the weaker ones. A strong Europe ruled a weak Africa. It says that this is just the way it is. Therefore, if you do not want your country to be dominated by other countries you must at all times struggle to be powerful.

 As political realism sees it, only when a country's power balances the power of other countries would they not dominate it politically, economically and militarily. Thus, the big powers of the world struggle to balance each others power. If one comes up with a new military weapon the others feel threatened and work to get it or steal it. It is assumed that war is prevented only when power is balanced between nation-states.

 In you are in doubt about the wisdom of political realism, see what happened when the alcoholic, Boris Yeltsin, allowed the Soviet Union to implode. The United States became the sole superpower. Now drunk with power the United States engaged in unilateral foreign policy; it did not have to consult other powers and have multilateral treaties. Thus, the mentally retarded boy called George Bush felt justified to go on preemptive wars of choice, wars to bring about regime changes in other peoples countries. And what are you going to do about it? You are going to do nothing about it for you do not have the power to stop that mentally challenged boy. (During the cold, as opposed to hot war, the US and the USSR had what was called capacity for mutual destruction, MAD, so, none dared attack each other. With the demise of the Soviet Union, the US returned to Teddy Roosevelt's gunboat diplomacy: no longer carrot and stick but do as we say or else we invade you. This recklessness, real politics scholars tell us, brings the world to the precipice of war.)

 Political idealism (see Rousseau, Karl Marx etc), on the other hand, has the belief that human nature is good, and to the extent that it seems bad environmental factors brought it about. In Social Contract, Jean Jacque Rousseau dreamed of how man is born free but is everywhere in chains; he wanted to remove those chains and return human beings to freedom, which he believed existed in nature. He fancied that American Indians, whom he condescendingly called noble savages, lived in peace (actually, they were chopping off each others heads in inter-tribal wars, never mind imagination run wild on the part of the Frenchman). 

 Karl Marx wrote quaint rubbish about how society ought to be organized economically: from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs. As he sees it, the question that Cain posed: am I my brother's keeper, should be answered in the affirmative; we are our brothers keepers and ought to work for the good of our society. Karl Marx, as my dear friend, Nietzsche, would say, was a utopian Christian; he lived in fantasy world, engaged in magical thinking and wishful thinking. In the real world folk are competing with each other and the more competitive gets more public goods than others. Bill Gates comes up with a more efficient way to do computing and makes billions of dollars, whereas Africans cannot even come up with a good way to catch a mouse hence live in poverty.

 Political realism is the operating axiom in international and domestic politics. If this is so, and it is so, one, therefore, must extrapolate from it in looking at the Nigerian political scene and make politically realistic judgments. At present, we see political idealists running around taking their wishes as reality. The Niger Delta militants, The Biafra militants and other atavistic forces are running around appealing to our feelings. If we allow them to succeed we can only live to regret permitting our feelings to rule our heads. Our heads must be parked in political realism, not the old wives tales of political idealism.

 As political realism sees it, individuals' are selfish animals (see Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations, also see David Ricardo and other economists who based their economics on the assumption that people are motivated by self interest and tend to work hardest when they are motivated by self interests and not work hard when they are told to work for public good). 

 In international politics it is said that nations are motivated by national interests. That is to say that nation-states foreign policies are actuated by the question: what is in it for them? They do not engage in international politics out of altruistic desire to help other folks.

 The United States of America studies each region of the world and sees what is in it for it, and to the extent that it has interests there tries to influence that region's politics (this is called geopolitics or real politics). 

 In this light, the Western powers would always ask: what is in it for them if there is war in Nigeria? Why should they intervene to spill their young people's blood? Is it because of sentimental notions of doing so for human good?

 Let us see. In our own life times we saw Arabs murdering Africans in South Sudan; we saw Arabs murdering Africans in Darfur; we saw one African tribe killing others in Rwanda and Burundi; we saw Africans go at each other in Sierra Leon and Liberia, chopping off children's hands; we saw Somalis reduce their country to Hobbes war of each against all hence chaos; we saw Africans killing each other in Uganda; we saw Africans killing each other in Angola; and in the 1960s we saw some Nigerians go at other Nigerians. 

 Here is my question for you, big boy. What is common in all these situations? The International Community did not intervene to stop Africans mutual mayhem. On the other hand, what did the International community do when Yugoslavia imploded? Mr. Bill Clinton went to war with the Serbs to stop their ethnic cleansing of non-Serbian Europeans. 

 If you have been around when Africans start murdering each other you probably observed how some liberal white folk would come to the United Nations' General Assembly and make sentimental speeches on how the United Nations ought to intervene to prevent Africans from killing each other.

 Are you aware of the structure of the UN? The General Assembly is where third world countries come to make noise and then are ignored.

 (I once saw a write up by Biafrans detailing their grievances against the Nigerian state, a document that they said that they submitted to the United Nations. They probably felt that folk would feel sympathy and compassion for their course and get the Nigerian state to make reparations for its supposed injustice to Igbos. Poor chaps; that paper was probably dumped into the waste paper basket, for it does not merit being filed. So, African egoistic politicians murder their people in quest of misguided glory and you think that the rest of the world should care? Why don't you do what adults do: shrink your swollen egoism so that you do not kill your people out of vanity? Who does not know that the African politician is the vainest, is the most egotistical politician motivated by desire for very important personhood, VIP, and not because he wants to work for his people. Look, go work for our people's betterment and stop deluding yourself with the silliness that other folks care when you kill our people or sell them in pursuit of your prideful, uncivilized ego, rather than the humbled, loving civilized ego.)

 Real politicking takes place in the Security Council, composed of the real powers of the world: USA, Russia, China, Britain and France. Those lobby each other behind the scenes and when they decide that their interests are involved in a conflict make the United Nations to intervene. If the interests of the big boys are not affected they merely make public statements condemning Africans killing each other but not intervening. Collin Power, the US Secretary of foreign affairs, decried Arabs killing Africans in Darfur but that is not going to make the United States to intervene to get white kids killed on behalf of Africans. If you expect whites to die on behalf of Africans, that isn't going to happen, my friend (the current secretary of state, a wannabe white, a Republican Niggeress, does not even go as far as to condemn Arabs killing Africans).

 You do not die for those you consider inferior human beings, folks who have contributed zilch to science and technology. For Jews and Asians that is another matter. Jews are responsible for much of our science and the world is invested in their survival. Asians…the white man suspects that the Asian is smarter than him; right from the time they came into contact with each other, European intellectuals pointed out the superiority of Asian culture…India discovered Algebra etc; the discoveries of China is innumerable to be counted. Think about Indian philosophy, have you read the majestic Upanishads? There is nothing in Western philosophy that comes close to it and you must trust me for I understand western philosophy from A top Z, from Plato to Aristotle, to Bacon, Descartes, Spinoza, Berkeley, Hume, Pascal, Leibniz, Rousseau, Voltaire, Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, ah!, my beloved Schopenhauer who read Hinduism and concluded that the white man is inferior to the Indian in thinking…Indian metaphysics speculated on the nature of matter, for example, and said that matter, called Guna, has three strands: Tamas, Sattva and Raja and went on to show how they interact to produce matter…cross check Max Plank, Rutherford, Bohr, Heisenberg, Schrodinger, Pauli's quantum physics notion of atoms being made up of electrons, proton, neutrons; Indians speculated on the origin of the universe and talked about how each Yuga began in a Big Bang, in short, the West borrows from India in its physics… Nietzsche, Bergson, William James etc. It should also be noted that in IQ tests that Asians, on the average, score more than whites by fifteen points, the same amount of points that whites score more than blacks. In Standardized tests, such as SAT, Asians score higher than other groups. (In so far that Western scientists are attracted to religion, it is to either Hinduism or Buddhism, for those seem compatible with science. Christianity is quaint poetry.)

 The white man will intervene on behalf of those it considers intelligent humanity, Europeans, Asians but not Africans. This is a fact of life that the sooner Africans got it into their thick heads the better for them, for the next time they generate crises in their countries and start killing each other no one is going to come to stop them. At long last, say, two years, the slow working machinery of the United Nations may eventually work to have the Security Council resolve to intervene in an African conflict. They would then call for African countries to supply the troops, for they do not want black men killing their white boys. So, finally, they would intervene but not before millions of Africans have been killed. 

 Talking about intervention, if there is a crisis in Nigeria and after several years the UN passes a resolution and agrees to send troops to come to Nigeria to come stop the killing, who exactly would come to do so? African soldiers (remember the 1960s Congo crisis; African soldiers came to supervise Tshombe, Kasavubu and Mobutu murder Lumumba, so much for the trustworthiness of African soldiers).

 Most Africans in West Africa are Muslims. So, we can reasonably say that the majority of the soldiers that would come to stop the killing of Christian Igbos and Ijaws are Muslims? If our assumption is correct, where do you think that their sympathy would lie, with Igbos and Ijaws, or with Muslim Hausas? For once in their dull existence, Igbos should use their brains to anticipate the political outcomes of their proposed actions. The idiot boy, Emeka Ojukwu, took Igbos to war without thinking through the consequences of his action. They ought to become less intemperate, irascible and thoughtless. God, or whatever we call our maker, gave us brains; so, let us use them for once in our sorry history of thoughtlessness.

 (I am told that former Biafran soldiers, wounded ones, beg for food. One would think that if Ojukwu cared for them he would have formed a non-profit foundation and helped the boys he misled into serving his ego power needs. But it would be asking too much for an Igbo to care for other persons, eh? Drive by in limousine and not notice the poor and suffering, right?)

 The point is this: if so-called Biafrans and Ijaws stimulate another round of ethic cleansing in Nigeria many of them would be killed by the more powerful Hausas and Yorubas (those who control the Nigerian state apparatus). By the time the slow machinery of the UN intervenes millions of Igbos and Ijaws would have been killed. When the West African peace keepers eventually come they would probably be rapping Igbo and Ijaw women (as they are now doing in the Congo).

 As for Africa Union whoever heard of their relevance? African countries do not have the right transportation and logistics to get the AU's troops to where they are need and must rely on their white masters to help them out, masters who in the process control them. Do I need to say more or is it the case that a word is enough for the wise?

 I understand that Igbos have this little delusion disorder going whereby they do not correctly assess themselves but, instead, fancy themselves special. In their delusion of superiority they imagine that other people see them as they want to be seen, as superior. The fact is that Igbos did not contribute anything to science and technology; they did not even invent writing and the wheel, and their level of sociopolitical organization, in Marxian categories, is primitive communalism.

 The rest of the world are not deluded, they are rational and look at you, as you are, in fact, not as you tell them that you are. If a student makes C grades and believes that he is an outstanding student, he is living in fantasy land, is he not? 

 The salient point is that the world does not share Igbos delusion of specialness and will not even bother their heads as other Nigerians massacre Igbos. This means that Igbos ought to think twice before they generate another civil war in Nigeria, for as weak folk they will pay a heavy price.

 I have watched the empty headed boy, Uwazurike, make noise about his so-called movement for the actualization of Biafra. That boy ought to understand who is going to lose if he stimulates a war in Nigeria, Igbos. 

 In case he is foolish enough to think that his Igbo leaders would not abandon him let him appreciate what the big coward, Emeka Ojukwu, did. He told Igbos that Nigerians are out to kill them and led secondary school boys to join his army and die for his narcissistic ego's quest for infantile glory. When the war was lost, instead of behaving as defeated generals are supposed to do: wear his general's uniform, sword in hand, head up and chin out, march to his conqueror, General Obasanjo, and surrender with dignity, and take his fate, possible court marshal and death by a firing squad, the lily livered garbage ran away to go protect his god damned, freaking life. Apparently, in his narcissistic, grandiose mind he fancied that his life is more important than the life of other Biafran soldiers! Poor man, he would go down in history as a coward. If he had fought to the end and allowed himself to be killed (or went into the Bush and fought a gorilla war for years) he would have become a hero, perhaps, a mythical one, in the ranks of Achilles, Hector and Agamemnon etc.

 (Igbos do not have written history hence do not have heroes to worship; actually, their foolish effort to make Ojukwu into a hero is to use him to fill their need for mythical heroes. Every people need their heroes!)

 The relevant point is that when push comes to shove Igbo leaders, who, are mainly in it for themselves, probably would abandon other Igbos, sell them down the river and run away.

 It is naĂŻve to think that Igbos would come to ones aid, as Americans say, "when shit hits the fan". Igbos are mainly pragmatists and unprincipled opportunists; most of them fight for their self interests and use other persons to attain their goals and seldom fight for other Igbos. If in doubt, look at Igbo governors pocketing the money the federal government gave them to develop Alaigbo, while, like Machiavellian rogues, tell Igbos to blame Nigerians for the lack of development in Alaigbo.

 We must remember that Igbos, like other Africans, habituated their minds to selling their people, and if the white man had not stopped slavery would still be selling their people. Until the early 1900s when Igbo Ogaraanya (big men) died slaves were killed. I am told that when my great, great grand father, Njoku died  in 1902, that over ten life slaves were killed in his burial ceremonies.

 Let us not delude ourselves; in the Igbo (and African) unconscious is the savage that would not hesitate in selling other people. It would probably take several hundred years to purge from the ego unconscious of the African his tendency to sell his people (just see how they transform their political offices into positions from which they steal from their people rather than help them).

 If my assessment is correct, those ignorant Igbo kids running around and trying to stimulate another round of war in Nigeria ought to be cautious. It is easy to start a war but difficult to end it. People die in wars; no one is invincible, as their deluded thinking may lead them to think; one bullet into any human being's head, Igbos included, and he is turned into rotting piece of meat, an awfully smelly one.

 (When Biafrans drove Nigerians out of Owerri, all the boys in our town, any boy from twelve to fifteen, the older ones were already in the army, were commandeered and used to shove dead and smelling bodies into unmarked graves. As a fourteen year old, 1969, I participated in this onerous chore, so I know what the hell that I am talking about; I do not write fiction; I do not want to see dead bodies littering my town's streets, ever, again. They say that exposure to wars, to death and dying, turns one either into a philosopher or an alcoholic. See Tolstoy's Majestic novel, War and Peace, and if after reading that tomb and you are still up to it, his Anna Karenina.)

 One is not advocating subservience in politics. In other writings I have made clear my preferred political structure for Nigeria: a federation with each tribe a state; each state economically responsible for its affairs and giving the central government control over military and foreign affairs (and citizens paying a certain amount of tax to support the various governments). This political system can be attained through peaceful negotiations, not by stimulating war in Nigeria.

 Folk ought to exercise correct assessment of their current existential status in the world. Existentially, all human beings are the same and coequal. However, human beings tend to respect those who are perceived to have contributed to history, science and technology. No one out there even considers Africans relevant in world history, and in the world of science and technology. In economics African countries are not even invited where folk talk about the world economy. George Bush just invited European and Asian countries to an International Summit to deliberate on how to fix our current economic crisis (I will do a paper on the current liquidity meltdown); he did not invite any African country. Why this seeming slap on the face of Africans? Consider that the entire GDP, GNP of Africa is less than that of California, a state in the USA! 

 We, Africans, are nothing and ought to accept that reality and then work our asses off to become relevant in world political economy. We ought to put our house in order.

 We ought not to delude ourselves as to how the rest of the world sees us, for they see us as savages, primitives (in what language am I writing, African language or English, does that not say it all, I am a colonized person and must extricate me from that status.)  

 (I have read where some uninformed Africans say that given my somewhat pessimistic views that I have low self esteem or hate my African self. I have as positive a self concept and self image as is possible for a human being to have; I am just a realistic person and have no delusions of my supposed specialness; I accept that I m like any other human being, not better than any one else, and no one else better than I.)

 An adult is realistic about his state in the scheme of things; a child thinks that his wish to be important means that other people see him as important.

 If wishes where horses beggars would ride them. I say let us work to improve our country, Nigeria, rather than make all the noises I hear folk make about fragmenting it( if they succeeded each of them would be so small that they would be irrelevant in world politics; the world of the future is a world of giant countries, such as the USA, Russia, Brazil , China, India, European Union; as I pointed out elsewhere, we ought to work at unifying all Africa into an Africa federation, with each tribe a state, for no more than five hundred states).

CONCLUSION

 This essay looks at the state of the black man in our contemporary world. It points out that the rest of the world does not take Africans seriously. Therefore, it says that Africans must take themselves seriously, respect each other (as Igbos say: "Onye ajuru aju oji aju onwe ya?" he who is rejected by other persons, does he rejected himself, too? Of course not, not if he wants to stay alive; one must have positive self acceptance to live fully) and work with each other to develop Africa. They must do this rather than stimulate internecine wars that liquidate African populations and retard the continent's economic and political development. Finally, it says that when Africans start killing each other that the rest of the world seldom cares and therefore they ought to learn to get along with each other.

Cheers,

Ozodi Thomas Osuji

October 25, 2008

ozodiosuji@gmail.com




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Re: Why We Do Not Need another Crisis in Nigeria
Chuksklin posted on 10-27-2008, 07:55:12 AM
Good write up
But I wish u could stop generalising
You, sir write so well but its usually full of venom for ur own (tribe)
maybe u should eschew that bitterness that u have for them and write what you have to write.
Meanwhile why do you always use Hindu religion and never others like Budhuism taois et al?
Re: Why We Do Not Need another Crisis in Nigeria
Allaccess posted on 10-27-2008, 09:18:21 AM
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Excerpts from Osuji's False Sense of Victimization in Achebe's Worldview




Agidimolaja opined, inter alia:



Could Agidimolaja point us to the verifiable evidence in support of all that Osuji wrote above about Achebe, the Jews, and the Igbos? All Osuji has managed to do is make empty assertions in circuitous language without any evidence to back it up. Osuji evidently believes that the Jews and the Igbos provoked every conceivable attack that has happened to them in history. He who allege must prove. Osuji has made the above assertions [not facts], so let him provide us his references first.

On your own part, Agidimolaja, why don't you present one of Osuji's assertions that you regard as undeniable fact in one paragraph and below that paragraph provide your reasons to buttress what Osuji [and you] claim to be facts? Perhaps you could take from the ones I have highlighted above and help Osuji to justify it. Justification of assertion by cogent evidence or references makes a statement undeniable facts.


@ ajimoh,

There are enough facts in all of Osuji's write-ups to enlighten you and your Igbo friends, you are just not interested in the evidence and TRUTH as Agidimolaja said.

Empirical evidence about Osuji's assertions are very glaring on the streets of Nigeria and on cyberspace. Igbo and Nigeria "healing" (by extension) must start by IGBOs agreeing something is not right, Osuji has highlighted these wrongs - I will tell you why I believe he Osuji) is right, because most Igbos here totally deny EVERY single things this man brought out about the IGBOs (every single thing).

It is like a people who are either ignorant or backward about their problems, they just don't want anyone talking about them. keep it hush forever and don't criticize us.

The other day I was at a party where A staff of Dora Akinluyi's was present, the man said 90% of fake drugs suspects found by the agency in Nigeria are Igbos. All Igbo people at that party rallied around and called the party Anti-Ndigbo campaign and that they were all leaving. I might add that 70% of the Igbo attendees are university educated, you could tell from their handle on many discussed issues. But, they seem to refuse anything criticizing Igbos even if they are aware of credible evidence to support the initial criticism.

Igbos must rid themselves of this victim-playing that is making them hated even more all over the place.

I am very disappointed by people like Franklyn, whose writing I commended in the past.
Re: Why We Do Not Need another Crisis in Nigeria
Ajimoh posted on 10-27-2008, 12:29:55 PM
allaccess,

thank you for your contribution. In your own justification of what you say, I note you alluded to an official of Dora Akinluyi. I may not agree with you on the point, because it does not address my requests to Agidimolaja, but I doff my hat to the way you marshalled your argument. It makes more sense and if we had been debating about fake drug suspects, I would have been hard-pressed to challenge your position knowing that you would eventually be in a position to present data from Dora Akinluyi's office.

You say:
QUOTE:
There are enough facts in all of Osuji's write-ups to enlighten you and your Igbo friends, you are just not interested in the evidence and TRUTH as Agidimolaja said


Based on what Osuji has written so far, please remember the subject matter here, please present the following:


  • THE FACTS - 6 will suffice;
  • EVIDENCE to back up each of the facts above
  • THE TRUTH - just 4 examples of such truth will suffice
  • EVIDENCE to back item 3 up


Surely, the above cannot be too much to ask of those of you that are better enlightened than us mere mortals. This is an open invitation to others who see what we do not see.

As an aside, I take umbrage at any group [Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Efik, Ijaw, Fulanis, etc] who proclaim race superiority or aloofness to criticisms. I have voiced anti-Yoruba sentiment here a long time ago and all the people who roundly criticised me were Yorubas, and I even had the pleasure of a few insults thrown my way. For what? So, I appeal to my Igbo brothers [or/and my Igbo friends] to please desist from profanities against Osuji, albeit he [Osuji] has insulted Achebe in his writings. Let us keep it civil and polite, a style alien to Osuji so far, whilst we wait patiently for the enlightened ones to educate us. Allaccess, with respect, I wait for some enlightenment from you. All I seek is knowledge, in particular your evidence regarding the statements I quoted earlier on and the two below made by Osuji:

Igbo society is a pathological society that produces pathological people, people who so fear inferiority that they compensate with imaginary superiority and from its deluded stance look down on other Nigerians; Igbos project their feared inferiority to Hausas and see them as inferior persons

The contemporary African character is thoroughly warped and stunted and it would take, at least, two hundred years of intense resocialization to bring him to normalcy.
Re: Why We Do Not Need another Crisis in Nigeria
Tonsoyo posted on 10-27-2008, 14:08:45 PM
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allaccess,

thank you for your contribution. In your own justification of what you say, I note you alluded to an official of Dora Akinluyi. I may not agree with you on the point, because it does not address my requests to Agidimolaja, but I doff my hat to the way you marshalled your argument. It makes more sense and if we had been debating about fake drug suspects, I would have been hard-pressed to challenge your position knowing that you would eventually be in a position to present data from Dora Akinluyi's office.

You say:

Based on what Osuji has written so far, please remember the subject matter here, please present the following:


  • THE FACTS - 6 will suffice;
  • EVIDENCE to back up each of the facts above
  • THE TRUTH - just 4 examples of such truth will suffice
  • EVIDENCE to back item 3 up


Surely, the above cannot be too much to ask of those of you that are better enlightened than us mere mortals. This is an open invitation to others who see what we do not see.

As an aside, I take umbrage at any group [Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Efik, Ijaw, Fulanis, etc] who proclaim race superiority or aloofness to criticisms. I have voiced anti-Yoruba sentiment here a long time ago and all the people who roundly criticised me were Yorubas, and I even had the pleasure of a few insults thrown my way. For what? So, I appeal to my Igbo brothers [or/and my Igbo friends] to please desist from profanities against Osuji, albeit he [Osuji] has insulted Achebe in his writings. Let us keep it civil and polite, a style alien to Osuji so far, whilst we wait patiently for the enlightened ones to educate us. Allaccess, with respect, I wait for some enlightenment from you. All I seek is knowledge, in particular your evidence regarding the statements I quoted earlier on and the two below made by Osuji:

Igbo society is a pathological society that produces pathological people, people who so fear inferiority that they compensate with imaginary superiority and from its deluded stance look down on other Nigerians; Igbos project their feared inferiority to Hausas and see them as inferior persons

The contemporary African character is thoroughly warped and stunted and it would take, at least, two hundred years of intense resocialization to bring him to normalcy.



Ajimoh,

One may not agree in toto with everything that Osuji has written about, at the same time some of the stuff that he wrote are self-evident and undeniable.

I am personally against his choice of words because they are too personal, caustic and somehow delibrately vindictive, which make me think that he might have a personal score to settle. I am particularly disappointed by the chice of words he used to criticized Pro. Chinua Achebe., he stepped out of line.

However, it would be hyprocritical of you to challenge every body that partially agree with him to defend everything that he wrote, you may not totally agree with him or his choice of words but agree with the thrust of his argument. I am in that category.

It is a known fact that Igbos generally like to play victim. Just go back to the thread on Enugu Airport, and many other threads that have to do with the place of Ndigbo in Nigeria, it always ended with our Igbo brothers insisting that other have delibrately marginalized them. I would be surprised if you claim ignorance of this, because it is what you and I have had to deal with on this forum before.

I also believe that Igbos like to exhibit false sense of superiority. Look at Franklyn's rejoinder for example, this is a gifted writer by all standard, but he did a good job of proving Osuji right when he started to tell us how Achebe is the tallest and the best from Africa. You will agree that statement is a proof of Osuji assertion. Africa has produced a number of Nobel Laureates in Literature and Achebe is not one of them, it is therefore condescending on the achievements of others to call him the "tallest"

He also tried to remind us how Ndigbos have been the victims of other tribes in Nigeria, the same thing Prof. Achebe have always alluded to.

You will recall how some Ndigbos thorugh articles and responses have told us how they are the best in Nigeria, touting Soludo, Akunyili , Iweala's achievements as proofs, but attributed the failure of the likes of Prof. Osuji and Ojo Madueke to Obasanjo.

You have read how they told us they own 60% of Lagos and 75% of its wealth, are you still in doubt about this alarming sense of false superiority?

It is the truth and the truth must be told at all times, I do not care whose Ox is gored.

One of the reasons I posted the Osu Caste thread is to address what might be the annoyance of people like Osuji that must have made him to display such an alarming sense of hatred for his own people. It is possible that his parents or himself has suffered the crude discrimination from his kinsmen.

I will expect all Ndigbo of good conscience to voice out against the practice, the way some white Americans fought segregation instead of hiding behind one finger or trying to tell us how they used to be powerful. We are not interested in the history, we are only interested in the eradication of all the vestiges of such ridiculous persecution of human beings. You can see how some irredentist instead of addressing the issue have tried to find an equivalent in Yorubaland.

We cannot say because Osuji was outrageous in his choice of language throw away everything he has said good and bad. No, I take exception.
Re: Why We Do Not Need another Crisis in Nigeria
Igboamaeze posted on 10-27-2008, 14:20:04 PM
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A real debate is what this site is designed for. It is the best forum for debate for many obvious reasons. One of these is from the comfort of your house/office you can debate. You can carry on the debate for several days. Others may join in. You can pull in information from other sources to support your position.

You can easily suspend a debate while you reflect on how to proceed. You can recharge your battery on come on better equiped. You can take a rest if you feel tired. Many more.

So go on start your debate with Dr. Osuji if you could. People are watching.



Otunba! Otunba!! Otunba!!! How many times I don shout ur name for this village?

Have u and ur folks asked urselves why this madman of Osuji is always pouring venom on the Igbos? Have u realised that the only time he gets attention is when he engages in this silly Igbo bashing? Do u remember that he has two other articles recently that no one took notice of simply because he did not engage in his usual anti-Igbo demagogory? Have u and ur folks spared any second to ponder why any body could turn his own "sword" against his own people? When did hate essays become fashionable? Why is it that only anti-Igbo topics get the most attention on NVS?

I will allow u to chew over the rest of my posers while I make a guess on the last one. Igbo people say that u don't talk about somebody for nothing. In order words, any person who people are always talking about must be up to something. An elderly Edo man who I'm proud to call a God-father once told me that if people are always talking about me then it means that I am somebody because no one talks about a nobody. It then boils down to the fact that Igbos must be truly worth talking about. You can say that the Igbos are the ISSUE. I'll refrain from the expected tendency to conclude that this fixation on everything Igbo is because we are "too much". That will be too cocky and may amount to playing into the satanic hands of those who accuse us of arrogance.

The madman said something about Igbos not engaging in violence. He must be a master of mischief because as far as most Igbos are concerned, we need peace in Nigeria more than any other tribe. We have billions of dollars of investments all over Nigeria. We are every where. We have higher stake in the unity of this country than any other tribe. But God forbid, if we are forced to defend ourselves again, what is wrong in doing so?

Finally, I think that his advice should be directed at Yorubas. Whoever thinks that the Yorubas ,post June 12, is still a force to reckon with must be living in a fools paradise. By the way, if the Yorubas did not fight in the aftermath of the humilation that was June 12, why should the Igbos fight? As I keep saying, I know enough of contemporary Nigerian history to engage in an unproductive and distractive inter-tribal hate mongering.

It seems to me that our challenge in Nigeria today is to find ways of tolerating each other in spite of our many differences and faults.

Think about it.
Re: Why We Do Not Need another Crisis in Nigeria
Tonsoyo posted on 10-27-2008, 15:15:37 PM
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. Why is it that only anti-Igbo topics get the most attention on NVS?.....................




[quote]Finally, I think that his advice should be directed at Yorubas. Whoever thinks that the Yorubas ,post June 12, is still a force to reckon with must be living in a fools paradise. By the way, if the Yorubas did not fight in the aftermath of the humilation that was June 12, why should the Igbos fight? As I keep saying, I know enough of contemporary Nigerian history to engage in an unproductive and distractive inter-tribal hate mongering.

It seems to me that our challenge in Nigeria today is to find ways of tolerating each other in spite of our many differences and faults.

Think about it.
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Igboamaeze,

I chose to respond to the two quotes above in your post because those I considered the main issues.

About the number one quote, if you get statistics of Igbo related articles on this forum, you will discovered that AT LEAST 75% of the articles are written by Igbomen or their supporters.

Igbo issue always get attention because the Igbo like to make themselves the issue but do not like to accept blame while they love to throw blames all around at everybody else.
Except for articles written by Osuji which bothers on harsh self-criticism all other have been about blaming other tribes for "marginalizing" Igbo. Of course others especially we Yorubas will naturally come into the defense of our people against false accusations, so it drags on and on and on and on.

If you think I am lying please pull up just ten Igbo related articles on this forum as samples for analysis.

You will never for one day find people blaming Ndigbos for any Northern or Yoruba related articles, that is the difference brother. Igbos should try and accept it when they are wrong.


Well, as regards your second paragraph, that is exactly what we are talking about, most Igbos always display this complex. Your issue is never completed until you find a parallel in Yorubaland. On the other thread about 'Osu' instead of addressing that injustice, one imbe cile was trying to find a parallel in Yorubaland by referrring to Osun worshippers. I can't see how those are related.

I do not know what your definition of 'fight' is, but if what you mean by Yorubas did not fight in the aftermath of June 12th was not going to a senseless war, I am telling you now that we Yorubas do not fight with our muscles we fight with our brains.

If we did not fight for restoration of that Presidency to Yorubaland, two Yorubas would not have emerged as tne Presidential candidates of the only two major parties in Nigeria in 1999. Yes we got result. OK let say without fighting. So what did we need to fight for?

Maybe your own people would have done it difeerently, but hey , that is why we are different. That is why we eventually got the Presidency they tried to steal from us and some are still crying marginalization 40 years after their 'courageous' fight.
Re: Why We Do Not Need another Crisis in Nigeria
Aiksmart posted on 10-27-2008, 15:27:38 PM
[QUOTE=tonsoyo;283380]Ajimoh, [Quote = tonsoyo...[B]Of course others especially we Yorubas will naturally come into the defense of our people against false accusations, so it drags on and on and on and on.] Igboamaeze[/B]

Tonsoyo I am smh reading your opinionated comments, I did not read the Enugu airport thread, however don't you know that the Enugu airport is a federal government asset, same as MM Int'l, Aminu Kano etc. If the people of Enugu and its inhabitant cry fowl play for the neglect of their airport (assuming that was the reason for the write up), then they are justified in their action, which was brought about by the federal government's inaction. Is your life in America so blissful that you do not understand what marginalization in Nigeria is all about?

If Franklyn claims that Prof. Achebe is the tallest and the best, why do you chose to interpret this along ethnic lines? What is false sense of superiority about this? Would you have felt any better if he had included in 'his' award of 'his' tallest & best, dignitaries like Wole Soyinka, or any other African notables?
Are you so near sighted as to believe that once a person is born Igbo, then chances are that he/she will grow up arrogant, prideful, ignorant or backward about their problems and aggressive. This same person(s) is likely to exhibit and carry about with a false sense of superiority?
Imagine such silly generalization, I wonder why you do not agree with the the Caucasian ideology about Black Africa and Black people every & anywhere the world over.


A common hate enrich our love and us...
Re: Why We Do Not Need another Crisis in Nigeria
Igboamaeze posted on 10-27-2008, 15:38:05 PM
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Igboamaeze,

I chose to respond to the two quotes above in your post because those I considered the main issues.

About the number one quote, if you get statistics of Igbo related articles on this forum, you will discovered that AT LEAST 75% of the articles are written by Igbomen or their supporters.

Igbo issue always get attention because the Igbo like to make themselves the issue but do not like to accept blame while they love to throw blames all around at everybody else.
Except for articles written by Osuji which bothers on harsh self-criticism all other have been about blaming other tribes for \"marginalizing\" Igbo. Of course others especially we Yorubas will naturally come into the defense of our people against false accusations, so it drags on and on and on and on.

If you think I am lying please pull up just ten Igbo related articles on this forum as samples for analysis.

You will never for one day find people blaming Ndigbos for any Northern or Yoruba related articles, that is the difference brother. Igbos should try and accept it when they are wrong.


Well, as regards your second paragraph, that is exactly what we are talking about, most Igbos always display this complex. Your issue is never completed until you find a parallel in Yorubaland. On the other thread about 'Osu' instead of addressing that injustice, one imbe cile was trying to find a parallel in Yorubaland by referrring to Osun worshippers. I can't see how those are related.

I do not know what your definition of 'fight' is, but if what you mean by Yorubas did not fight in the aftermath of June 12th was not going to a senseless war, I am telling you now that we Yorubas do not fight with our muscles we fight with our brains.

If we did not fight for restoration of that Presidency to Yorubaland, two Yorubas would not have emerged as tne Presidential candidates of the only two major parties in Nigeria in 1999. Yes we got result. OK let say without fighting. So what did we need to fight for?

Maybe your own people would have done it difeerently, but hey , that is why we are different. That is why we eventually got the Presidency they tried to steal from us and some are still crying marginalization 40 years after their 'courageous' fight.


Congratulations. But at what prize?

I am not suggesting that ur strategy was wrong. I'm saying that u should take another look at the man in the mirrow. Let me say this gain: I know enough of contemporary Nigerian history.

One of u said somewhere that if u want an airport at Ekiti u know how to get it from FG. Really? That was long long long time ago. Today, u'll never never get it. Better believe. I KNOW what I'm saying. If the Yorubas are relevant today, it is simply because of LAGOS. Yet FG has since turned its back on Lagos. Why? Just think about it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not gloating. It is just the fact.

Who is the leader of the Yorubas today? Where is Afanifere now? How come that Chief Bola Ige was killed in his house and till today his killers have not been found? I've tried several times, as gently as I can, to prode u into a short moment of self soul-searching but u have focused only on the Igbos.

I am not denying the challenges of the Igbo nation in Nigeria. I am not denying our faults and troubles. Neither am I unmindful of our immense God-given strenghts. I am only saying that for u people to focus on the Igbos while turning a blind eye to ur own issues is self defeating. Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eyes?

I repeat: our challenge is to find ways of making Nigeria work 4 us all. U can gloat about Yoruba invincibility, but that was yesterday.

Yesterday is history, my brother. Let's face reality: TODAY and TOMORROW.
Re: Why We Do Not Need another Crisis in Nigeria
Tonsoyo posted on 10-27-2008, 16:48:23 PM
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[QUOTE=tonsoyo;283380]Ajimoh, [Quote...[B]Of course others especially we Yorubas will naturally come into the defense of our people against false accusations, so it drags on and on and on and on. Igboamaeze[/B]

Tonsoyo I am smh reading your opinionated comments, I did not read the Enugu airport thread, however don't you know that the Enugu airport is a federal government asset, same as MM Int'l, Aminu Kano etc. If the people of Enugu and its inhabitant cry fowl play for the neglect of their airport (assuming that was the reason for the write up), they are justified in their action brought about by governments inaction. Is your life in America so blissful that you do not understand what marginalization in Nigeria is all about?


Tonsoyo says:
Marginalization in my own dictionary is a relative word. It is means some are getting benefit tothe detriment of the other. But everywhere I look in Nigeria what I see is inefficeincy. At MM1 which is the number 1 gate way to Nigeria, I see non-working airconditioning system and conveyor belt. Herds of cows overtook the run-way.

At Warri I used to enter airplane that goes to the main road to make a U-turn a moment the [B]depirate described as a moment of 'adrenaline rush' every forthnight. Every where I look I see inefficiency of different dimension, no, I have never seen any \\"marginalization\\" It only existed in some people's mentality
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[quote]If Franklyn claims that Prof. Achebe is the tallest and the best, why do you chose to interpret this along ethnic lines. Whats false sense of superiority about this, would you have felt better if he had included in his award of 'his' tallest & best dignitaries like Wole Soyinka? Are you so blind sighted as to believe that once a person is born Igbo, then chances are that he/she will grow up arrogant, prideful, ignorant or backward about their problems and aggressive. This same person(s) is likely to exhibit and carry about with a false sense of superiority? [/B]
Imagine such silly generalization, I wonder why you do not agree with the the Caucasian ideology about Black Africa and Black people every & anywhere.

A common hate enrich our love and us...
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Tonsoyo says:
Can you show me where I mentioned anything that has to do with ethnicity about 'tallest' in Africa. It is arrogance and stupidity of huge magnitude to describe one as the tallest in a whole continent without any empirical proof of it. It only shows exactly what Osuji is talking about.
I said Africa has produced Nobel Laureates in Literature nowhere did I mention Soyinka. That bigotry is a product of your own mind.
There is nothing like \"silly generalization\" here but what we have here is pervalance of culture of arrogance and exaggerated opinion of self-worth in Igboland. You and many others have dsiplayed it on this forum to prove Osuji right.
Re: Why We Do Not Need another Crisis in Nigeria
Valteena posted on 10-27-2008, 17:04:05 PM
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Excerpts from Osuji’s False Sense of Victimization in Achebe's Worldview




Agidimolaja opined, inter alia:



Could Agidimolaja point us to the verifiable evidence in support of all that Osuji wrote above about Achebe, the Jews, and the Igbos? All Osuji has managed to do is make empty assertions in circuitous language without any evidence to back it up. Osuji evidently believes that the Jews and the Igbos provoked every conceivable attack that has happened to them in history. He who allege must prove. Osuji has made the above assertions [not facts], so let him provide us his references first.

On your own part, Agidimolaja, why don't you present one of Osuji's assertions that you regard as undeniable fact in one paragraph and below that paragraph provide your reasons to buttress what Osuji [and you] claim to be facts? Perhaps you could take from the ones I have highlighted above and help Osuji to justify it. Justification of assertion by cogent evidence or references makes a statement undeniable facts.



Ajimoh unlike Akpu-Nku I am female and blow you a 1000 kisses for Your brilliant response to Agidimolaja.

All I will add in answer to Agidimolaja is that Like him, if he is really from where he claims to be from. I am not an Ndi Igbo Parsay.

I happen to be one of those unqiue Nigerians who come from all the three major tribes as well as from the minority tribes. Dad, mum and grandma from the three major tribe, grant parents, step grand parent and so on from those and minority tribes as well.

I have lived and experience life very closely from the perspective of those different tribes as well hence my appreciation and respect for the idiosyncrasies and sensibilities of these tribes.

That is why, you will never find me lumping any group of people or tribe together and denigrating them. Nor would I support and applaud those who do like Agidimolaja does.
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