enforcer, you seem to have abandoned my postulates and launched off in another tangent, i would have thought that the point of the debate is for you to respond point by point to my debate post. but be that as it may please see mine in bold The difficulty with debates about capitalism and communism (and every other political and economic “ism”) is definition. Your view on the matter is largely influenced by your understanding of the words stand for. What is Capitalism? “Capitalism” is not an ideology. The communists coined the word following civil rights movement of the 17th century. According to Thomas Sowell (The Vision of the Anointed), capitalism is an economy not run by political authorities. The beauty of a capitalist economy is that it gives power to the people. It recognises and values their ability to make the right decisions as to what they want to produce and consume. if capitalism is not an ideology , what then exactly is it? capitalists tend to believe that before karl marx there was nothing like socialism Capitalism relies on market forces, price, competition and profit to allocate resources to where it is needed, rather than central government deciding everything for you. Capitalism has a built-in mechanism for rewarding those that provide the right quality of goods and services that the people want. capitalism does not rely on market forces to allocate anything , capitalism is the control of the means of productin by a select feww while extracting surplus value from the workers. Capitalism requires three essential institutions in order to function. 1. Private property. This actually means not only your physical possessions (alienable property) but include your life and liberty (inalienable property). 2. Markets: That allows the buyer and the seller to have a mutually beneficial, voluntary, and free trade. 3. Rule of Law: The rules that clearly define and enforce your property rights and your obligations as a citizen. For example, if you perform your contractual obligations there is a remedy for you to enforce your right to payment under that contract. in saying this , you actually regocnise that is is a system in place What is communism? Communism is based on a de-motivating political and economic ideology that states: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” In order words, don’t worry if you are a lazy layabout, the government will take from your hard working fellow citizens to give you. the worst place to be if you are a lazy layabout is a communist country, enforcer , you will probabely be locked up for being lazy and not willing to work, the best place to be is a capitalist western country , you will be on the dole. like i pointed out absolute communsim is impossible just like absolute capitalism is impossible. Communism is a “distinct socio-political philosophy that is willing to use violent means to attain its goal of a classless society.” Whereas capitalism is a social system based on individual rights, communism believes in equality through if necessary the use of force by grounding individual rights to build absolute government control. you dont seem to appreciate that communism is the very antitheisis of capitalism and you seem to be enamoured with the wonderful sides of capitalism, while neglecting the evil sides. you forget about the existence of class and the terrible exploitation of the worker German economist, Karl Marx, laid the foundation for the modern day communism and published the “The Communist Manifesto” in 1848, highlighting in the Communism agenda the following: • Abolition of Private Property. • Heavy Progressive Income Tax. • Abolition of Rights of Inheritance. • Confiscation of Property Rights. • Central Bank. • Government Ownership of Communication and Transportation. • Government Ownership of Factories and Agriculture. • Government Control of Labour. • Corporate Farms and Regional Planning. • Government Control of Education. Democracy is an essential requirement in a capitalist system. The biggest mistake is to believe that there can be a democracy in a communist system. How can that be, if a political system is willing to use violence to achieve its goals of a classless society? How can anyone classify such a political system as democratic? democracy , please see my last post , what is democracy? assuming that we accept your post that democracy is a requirement of capitalism , have we had any of it in nigeria , china , vietnam or russia or indeed a million other places that capitalism is practiced. A requirement for a communist system is the need to have one political party that everyone belongs. How absurd is that? How can there be a democracy if there is no choice or opposition party? Just imagine putting all NVS members into one political party and explain to me how you will get consensus on anything without having to resort to bullying tactics to get people to tow the line? what is opposition? are you talking about that group organised mainly to further interest of the rivals in the competition for power, what is chioce there is opposition in the comminust party but at the individual level , we saw this in china 100 flowers bloom and the opposition to the chinese opening , we also saw it in nikita krushevs destalinisation, we saw opposition in the cultural revolution in china. so which opposition do you speak of in western countries you call it obeying the law, in socialist countries , you call it bullying and towing the line While emphasis seem to be on the fall of Soviet Union as communist country and the gradual decline of communism in China, it is easy to forget that Japan was once a communist country, until it realised the power of market forces. The lesson learned report for these countries should read “people know which side of their bread is buttered”! Which is better? japan was never a communist country enforcer , it was only a closed and very class based capitalist society . it was closed to foreigners until it was forced to open up by the foreign humiliation by the american commodore perry that led to the meiji restoraton and consequently the pearl harbour attack At this point, let me remind you that your choice matters a lot. I do not want to influence you, except to say that communism takes away your rights, including your freedom of expression. if you value your rights and freedom of expression then make your choice accordingly.[/QUOTE] what exactly is choice? define it and i will explain something to you about it.