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Discussion in 'The Main Square' started by uzuk, Aug 26, 2020.
Farouk Kperogi can dig.
That makes sense, look at the date. It was 1997 and the Yoruba were out of power.
Each tribe believe in One Nigeria when they're part of Government because they can share in the benefits of untrammelled Federal power
But who bent over to retake his vomit among those who scramble to control Nigeria’s government?
I'm not disputing the hypocrisy of Tinubu and the Yoruba. All I'm saying is that EVERY TRIBE and politician in Nigeria does the same, including the Igbo.
In 1953, Awolowo sought the inclusion of a secession clause in the Constitution. His efforts were blocked by Zik & the Igbo.
In 1954 the Fulani led North introduced a Bill for secession into Parliament. Zik and the Igbo defeated it.
The Ijaw secceded from Nigeria in 1964. Their uprising was suppressed by the then Igbo dominated Nigeria, using an army whose officer corps was also dominated by the Igbo.
Just a few years later the Igbo were seeking - and dying in their tens and hundreds of thousands for - the same secession rights they rejected in 1953 while Awolowo & the Yoruba were fighting against the same secession rights they wanted in 1953.
Every tribe and politician and citizen of Nigeria has played a part in making Nigeria what it is. Except for my good self.
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Contemporary Nigeria - but you talk much about the past.
If we must dwell in the past, there was time when the present East, West and North of Nigeria had nothing political connecting them. Do we return to talk about that time?
The actions of the past affect what is possible in the present. I truly and sincerely wish it wasn't so, but it is REALITY.
I've gone over the history of Nigeria and my conclusion is that the errors of the past are NOT going to be EASILY overcome due to the inferior intellect of the Black African.
I don't want to get into comparisons, but look at the history of the USA for example. That country's majority White population made a TERRIBLE ERROR by indulging in slavery. The emotional toll on Black Americans has been so great that that the oppressed descendants of slaves are still resentful today. At least White Americans TRIED to make amends by
1) fighting a Civil War among themselves in which over 500,000 White people were killed to ensure freedom for Blacks.
2) developing a nation with enough prosperity that Black Americans have the highest living standards of any Negro group found within ANY nation on earth.
The victors of the Nigerian Civil War lack the intellect to make Nigeria prosperous.
The mainly Igbo Biafran losers of the war haven't even seen fit to give equal rights to their own fellow citizens derided as Osu Caste.
The facts are what they are. History is what it is. I won't help you by indulging in lies or rationalizing foolishness and hypocrisy.
Rationalizing the lies and hypocrisy of the political actors in contemporary Nigeria is not foolishness. How else can these lies and hypocrisy be brought to the open if they are not discussed in the public?
I wonder why anyone will engage this rabid Uzuk that thinks from his behind....... The problem with Nigeria is a collective one, always trying to apportion blame is the most ridiculous things .... the power that be appeal to their primordial affiliations to further their interest while still hobnobbing with those being painted as the oppressor......Uzuk is an ethnic bigot that was busy singing the praise of Jonathan because of the perceived Igbo influence in the government of the day... now he turns round and accuse others chopping power at the center... yeye dey boom
The problem in Nigeria a collective one? How?
The buck stops on the leader’s table. North and Southwest regions led Nigeria since independence, except for the few years of Jonathan. Don’t pass the buck now.
If not ethnic bigotry, what else is holding Nigeria down?
Or, I shall swallow your region’s murderous type of ethnic bigotry in order to get along with you in peace in Nigeria?
Not to talk about your region’s religious bigotry that has made your people flood down south.
...and you stooped low to engage. You are like bending over to retake your vomit. Ozu.
Since just before independence or since shortly after, the Hausa/Fulanis have mastered the political game of Nigeria superbly, bringing very little to the table but deciding how the national cake is shared and who to give the impression of being part of the sharers at the head of the table.
The education, exposure and sophistication comes to nothing due to greed and selfishness?
I don't know why Uzuk was singing praises for Jonathan, but for myself, I loved the that President and also the neo-liberal wing of the PDP because they tried to implement policies that would have made Nigeria a much better place to live for the vast majority of the citizens. The evidence is there.
President Babangida started SAP reforms. The very first sector that was deregulated and liberalized was cash crops. The commodity boards were abolished. Later he started on banking, telecoms, petrochemicals, broadcasting, newspapers and hoteling. The SAP program was interrupted by the 1994 political crisis, Abacha took over and stalled everything. Then the same IBB along with others, helped put together the PDP and imbued it with the free market orientation of SAP. Luckily OBJ and Jonathan were faithful to that ideological orientation. The results are plain to see, despite all the reversals and havoc wrecked by Buhari and Yaradua.
Where IBB and PDP failed was in political reform, though one must be fair and state that IF the economic reforms had continued, Nigeria would PROBABLY have become prosperous enough to smother its innate political instability.
Nigeria desperately needs to reduce the powers & reach of the Federal Government and devolve same to autonomous TRIBAL STATES, preferably with rights of secession. We need an European Union structure in Nigeria. There's no way Nigeria can make substantive progress and become competitive with other nations without such reforms. If it doesn't happen within the next generation - 25 years - Nigeria will definitely witness a genocidal war that will be worse than anything seen in Congo, Liberia or Rwanda. The USA prediction of disintegration by 2015 was actually accurate because the elections of that year will be remembered as the beginning of the end.
The main obstacle to these reforms is the Fulani dominated North and their Islamic allies all over Nigeria, especially among the Yoruba. What Nigeria has today is a government of radical Islamists of the type ruling Turkey now. I've even come to the conclusion that the murder of Funsho Williams was a longer term Islamist plot to intimidate Yoruba Christians.
Yes, every tribe has contributed to making Nigeria what it is today. While acknowledging that, we can also identify those tribes and interests that are the main obstacle to peace and prosperity TODAY.....and today is what matters for now. It's totally insane, but APC is likely to be in total control of the Federal Government for the next 20 to 30 years. How and why any rational people voted for APC is still something I can't fathom. Even if you hated Jonathan that badly, this surely isn't a worthy solution.
I'm waiting to see if White Americans will stand by and handover the control of government to their own version of APC, the Democrat Party. Their British brethren have proved they're not stupid, they survived 4 years of socialist harrassment, harangue, incitement and demagoguery and held on to their senses and voted for Boris Johnson and got the hell out of the EU that is trying to transform into a Unitary Communist Super State. But in Nigeria we're talking about Black Africans so there's no easy solutions. The pits of their intellect has no bottom. This isn't Europe or Asia for sure. This is the Dark Continent.
Good Luck to all who can't escape the Zoo because the coming years are going to be bad ones. They're already here.
!To Survive & Thrive Is The ONLY Morality!
The point is: in 1997, Bola Tinubu did not believe in one Nigeria. In 2020, Bola Tinubu still doesn’t believe in one Nigeria as he presents himself to succeed President Buhari; he knows that there are many people in the East who still believe in one Nigeria. He knows it’s the turn of the Southeast to present who shall succeed President Buhari. He knows that Nigeria can’t continue like George Orwell’s “Animal Farm,” and if does, one Nigeria can’t continue to exist.
Office of President of Nigeria is given. The election to it is mere formality.
Surely 2015 proved you wrong. If there's one election that clearly expressed the popular and democratic will of the Nigerian people, it was 2015.
Jonathan was a good President, the Nigerian people are champions of the Colonial Condition. That's why he lost.
Will the Nigerian people see fit to elect an Igbo President or even a Yoruba one again...I don't know. We shall see.
Reality: no southern presidential candidate can win Nigeria’s presidential election unless Fulani-led north is tired of ruling Nigeria. This fact is guaranteed by
the lopsided political structure of 36 states and Abuja where 19 states were unduly littered in the old northern region by northern military dictators who created the 36 states and Abuja political structure; and also supervised a Constitution which says that a presidential candidate must win 25% of votes in 24 states before pronounced winner.
Goodluck Jonathan could not have won the 2015 presidential election after he was demonized globally through the exploits of Boko Haram fighters who fight for a Nigeria to be governed with Sharia criminal laws.
In 2011, Jonathan won because of the exigencies of the time then. Olusegun Obasanjo also won in 1999 because of the exigencies of the time then. In 2003, Obasanjo’s “do or die election” proclamation added to incumbency factors, and his being an ex-military leader won him 2nd term.
Most university educated and business owning Igbo middle class and upper middle class people voted for Buhari against Jonathan, same in the Niger Delta. They also bought into the subsidy protests and also believed in the characterization of Buhari as a crusader against corruption. This is something I dug into and found a lot of evidence at least in my own social circle and interactions.
All these people instinctively understood that "fighting corruption" and "greedy businesses" ultimately translates to the enlargement of the State, more government jobs and subsidy payments. Which was exactly opposite of the free market direction of Jonathan & OBJ. It also played a part in Obama & Hillary Clinton working against Jonathan.
The same thing is playing out among the voters in the USA, most highly educated people despise Trump and want more socialism, which guarantees them income without much risk.
The 2015 election in Nigeria was a popular affirmation of the Colonial Condition and the final adoption of feudal-socialism in opposition to SAP. That's all.
You spare your time to propound for Nigeria some mostly sound economic theories workable for modern nations. But those that control Nigeria’s government via the lopsided political structure rigged to their favor in a quasi unitary government system, count the amount of money paid by foreign IOCs, as well as other mini incomes to Nigeria’s coffers, to sustain government for Nigeria, thus make Nigeria appear before the rest of the world as a sovereign country. They don’t care a hoot about the high level of dehumanization of mankind in Nigeria, despite more than 50 years of income from crude oil and gas in the Niger Delta.
Their Osibinabis and others have yet to condescend on you because you are a One Nigeria man. They will rather take the ‘Toronto Certificate’ people and people of unverifiable academic claims, to steer Nigeria, not a person like you who propounds mostly workable economic systems for Nigeria.
Here's something I wrote from earlier in this same thread, verbatim, including emphasis, with nothing changed:
If you're going to have a discussion, at least be accurate in quoting your interlocutor. So rights of secession is supportive of One Nigeria? Please go and rest and stop overtaxing your kwashiokor brain.
“So rights of secession is supportive of one Nigeria?”
Your sudden descent to the pit without provocation speaks volumes. Take note: I have no guilt feelings for your condition. I am not going to reply to your next tirade.