Hidden Nigerian culture exposed. Almost unbelievable!

[Obugi]

Odinaka nwannem

The only difference between what I've said happens in Igboland and your own account is to what extent such practices subsist.

I contend that they're still the norm till today. There is no one on NVS who can truthfully say otherwise. I totally understand the choice to live in denial, its natural.

Osu discrimination is widespread and entrenched in Igbo land and has followed our people abroad to wherever they reside, affecting the social interactions of even those born and bred in the diaspora. This I know, and you know it too. To read or listen to Igbo people deny this is just

Well, all the White people say racism is a thing of the past in America, so what do I know. This is a well studied sociological phenomenon. Even in the Deep South during the worst of Jim Crow, White people would always say "Our Negroes are happy, nothing is happening to them, slavery is gone"

On Christian violence, in the last 3 years at least, Father Ede and King Hezekiah have led multiple Christian pogroms against Odinani worshippers.

In the last 2 yrs I've seen with my own eyes the aftermaths of pogroms conducted by so-called Xtian Armies. I've seen truckloads of these "soldiers" on the move on their way to battle.

Anyway, you've admitted that all these things happen, I'll give you props for that. :shake: You know how it goes, e buro ozu onye ozo n'uzo ya dika obu nku...translated...the corpse of other people might as well be firewood.

Rather than get all upset, you'd better direct your energies toward expunging these practices from the Body of Christ, but nooooo, you'd rather spend time trying to discredit Obugi.

Onward Christian Soldiers,
Get Yours, Obugi's head on a pike,
Shed His Blood for Jesu,
Him and all his like


Hypocrites!

I'm done here before I become a victim myself.

Be well, nwannem. Iwe gi adila oku biko.

Obugi.

[Exponent]

I'm done here before I become a victim myself.

.

Don't go playa. You not done "droppin a dime" on the Igbo's.

[Odinaka]

Odinaka nwannem

The only difference between what I've said happens in Igboland and your own account is to what extent such practices subsist.

I contend that they're still the norm till today. There is no one on NVS who can truthfully say otherwise. I totally understand the choice to live in denial, its natural.

Osu discrimination is widespread and entrenched in Igbo land and has followed our people abroad to wherever they reside, affecting the social interactions of even those born and bred in the diaspora. This I know, and you know it too. To read or listen to Igbo people deny this is just

Well, all the White people say racism is a thing of the past in America, so what do I know. This is a well studied sociological phenomenon. Even in the Deep South during the worst of Jim Crow, White people would always say "Our Negroes are happy, nothing is happening to them, slavery is gone"

On Christian violence, in the last 3 years at least, Father Ede and King Hezekiah have led multiple Christian pogroms against Odinani worshippers.

In the last 2 yrs I've seen with my own eyes the aftermaths of pogroms conducted by so-called Xtian Armies. I've seen truckloads of these "soldiers" on the move on their way to battle.

Anyway, you've admitted that all these things happen, I'll give you props for that. :shake: You know how it goes, e buro ozu onye ozo n'uzo ya dika obu nku...translated...the corpse of other people might as well be firewood.

Rather than get all upset, you'd better direct your energies toward expunging these practices from the Body of Christ, but nooooo, you'd rather spend time trying to discredit Obugi.

Onward Christian Soldiers,
Get Yours, Obugi's head on a pike,
Shed His Blood for Jesu,
Him and all his like


Hypocrites!

I'm done here before I become a victim myself.

Be well, nwannem. Iwe gi adila oku biko.

Obugi.

Obugi, it seems you don't get it, even after so many years of preaching "get yours" I am not arguing as a Christian soldier, but as an Igbo man who feels you are being unfair to the generality of ndi Igbo by making allegation of widespread, common place pogrom by Ndi Igbo on a minority within them. I know of Father Ede, and don't really agree with him, but I haven't heard of him killing people. Moreover, he is one among the several millions of Igbo people who practice Christianity. Yes I heard of two instances where some Christians attacked shrines, but none involved killing of maiming of odinala followers. In fact those Christians were in the minority and did their acts at night; they went to steal and destroy idols. Some of them (near Isinweke) were actually dragged to court. You did indicate sometime ago that your late aunt was a victim, and that she died as a result, so obviously you are pissed. However, your generalisation and hype isn't right, especially since you are fighting those who generalised the gang rape thing. Once more, I reiterate that I am not saying that a traiditional follower hasn't been killed or maimed by over-zealous Christians or, in the case where the traditional follower engages in evil practices like ritual or poisoning, by villagers who wouldn't take it anymore, but my problem with you is that you are painting ndi Igbo black, all because of your problem with Christians. When evil things happen, the best thing to do is to fight them. And here on NVS, people have been willing to take up such battles- the child witch issue in Akwa Ibom which people here, a good number of them Christians, fought is an example. A battle against evil practices can not happen except people are made aware and mobilised. So please help bring those issues at hand rather than place a tag on ndi Igbo because of your irritation with Christianity. Mistreating widows is a common thing in traditional Igbo land, especially in villages and in situations where a widow isn't lettered or the late husband didn't leave a will behind. From my experience, it's far more common than this Christians vs Odinala clash of a thing. So we may have to label Igbos as people who harass and dehumanise widows among them. My friend, you can't be gathering and scattering at the same time. You can't be quarreling with people who you think put an unfair tag of Igbos and at the same time putting your own negative tag on Igbos based on very few isolated events.

[docokwy]

If what you have quoted here with such relish is your proof of this practice then I guess you are more desperate than I thought. The Doctor on that thread wrote that he had heard - not seen or witnessed the practice after being challenged he went on further to write that such myths should be investigated/corroborated but look at you....you are sooooo desperate to make something out of nothing...you come and post it here as evidence!! Where on that thread did the good Doctor say categorically that he had witnessed such an event - show us!!

Yes, when I say I know who you are I mean I have confirmed that you are an old moniker on this board well known for Yoruba bashing. Carry on with your foolishness. One would have thought you will concentrate on matters currently affecting the wellbeing and welfare of Igbos in the SE....but no....Yoruba bashing is your specialist area....You ain't fooling anyone.

And btw.....I am a member of that group. If you call 2 contributions to that nonsense you posted on there a 'discussion' then you have bigger problems than I thought. I mean, one would have thought that with the large community of Yorubas on that listserv they will be killing over to discuss the subject but I guess your antics are well known even on the listserve hence the reason why your thread has largely been ignored.

Most people know who Lola Ayorinde is! Another pentecostal nutjob! so I am not surprised that she is seeing people in her dream.....and this is what you want to be taken seriously? Please!!

1. Remember I directed you to that linkserve. So why would I do so if I have to hide myself? There are many Igbos on there and one of them is DEFINITELY me. Choose the one that suits you.

2. Please tell us who is lying between you VOR, the Erelu, the Ex-NIDO chair and Med doc who said he was told, and the one close to the Egba royal family who told the EX NIDO chair what he knew?

3. As Agu Nwanyi 1 of Oboro land in Ikwuano LGA of Abia State, please tell us how many Ezes' tongues and livers you and you husband (in that part of Igboland a woman is not made a chief without the husband) ate during your corronation.

4. Now go back to that linkserve, the responses are populating.

5. Remember the NIDO guy said what he knew predates this new revelation by the Erelu.

The more you deny and try to dent the Erelu, the more you hit a brick wall.

As they say, ''I hold you for work'', ok!

[Auspicious]

Lateesha,



Of course you will leave me alone, proud Igbo Christian woman that you are.

Keep baiting me by insulting other Africans and by the time I'm done there won't be enough omo detergent in Ariara market to wash all the dirty Igbo laundry I'll be dragging onto this thread. I live in Aba, shebi you know what goes on in my city?

That goes for FSU and every other intolerant Igbo Christian Taliban that shows their face here. Nonsense!

Now to another pretend Asiwaju or whether na Are Ona Kakanfo in the making....

NAR,

Do you have anything to say about female or male circumcision?

!Get Yours!
Obugi.

Auspicious.

[denker]

Obugi is a guy from my village, a diala, contrary to very strong protests from his family and because of his Christian conviction, married an "Osu". The so called Osu lady didn't bring him a penny, so it wasn't because of money. His family (father in particular) rejected him for a while, but later got tired and accepted him. Go to Isuochi in Umunneochi LGA of Abia State and see what people there did with the Osu cast system; they have practically eliminated it. It came about when the churches there came together and convinced others that it was time to do away with the discrimination. Of course the system is still alive in Igbo land but it is no longer as strong as it used to be for some people. I have earlier blamed the churches for not doing enough here on NVS and still believe that the stupidity should be thrown out of our life but I am not going to deny that something positive, no matter how small, is taking place or has already taken place.

Now to the issue of some people publishing a story about a ritual of gang raping widows in Igbo land, I don't sympathize with you brother. Care to know why? I believe it is possible that such a thing or something close to it could have happened somewhere in ala Igbo as a result of traditional requirements or simply, an act of wickedness. Now you have to remember that ndi Igbo are not just one clan. Yes we do have things is common but there are also differences. Please don't forget that widows (NOT ALL WIDOWS) are still treated very very badly in Igbo land. I know of a case that brought tears to my eyes. May I submit to all that the bad treatment widows receive derives its roots from a (negative) manipulation of Igbo customs and traditions, the state of our law enforcement as a country not helping matters. So the people who published the story and those who ran with it could be right, they might have misinterpreted its significance though. But the truth of the matter is that it is not something synonymous with Igbo culture and should not be used to tar Igbos in general.

So why am I not in sympathy with you? The reason is that you have also fallen into the same error of taring ndi Igbo (or specifically Igbo Christians who, even as you admit, make up more than 90% of Igbos) as committing a genocide against traditional worshipers. I grew up under the care of my late maternal grand mum (one of the best women ever) who was a priestess to an oracle. And in that community and it's environs, there were several people who were priests of shrines. Never for once did any get killed or harmed. In fact, majority of the people in my maternal village went to church and at the same time visited my grand mum or the other priests. Up till my 25th birth day, I lived in Imo State and did have a fair understanding of lives in various places in the state. Not once did I hear or witness a traditional worshiper being killed or molested. But I did hear of a village who ostracised one traditional worshiper because of his evil deeds and not because of the Christian conviction of the rest of the people, just the same way some Christians who refused to obey some traditional laws were ostracised and even harassed in a few communities. One of my distant paternal uncles practice traditional divination till today. Note that I am not saying that it is not entirely true that traditional worshipers have been targeted- harassed, maimed or killed- but my contention, which I stand by any day any time is that it is not a common practice among Igbo people of today as alleged by you (as at today, they have largely become "Christians"). That's why I don't care about your grievance.

Cheers

..ok, now me understand all dis gragra for dis forum...so Obugi na christain and a diala(watever dat's) and married osu(watever dat's)...notding is hidden under the sun...my people..

[docokwy]

Obugi,

Please open a thread on ''hidden'' Igbo culture so it can be discussed there. Stop derailing this thread which is about Obas and carnibalism.

[Auspicious]

Obugi,

Please open a thread on ''hidden'' Igbo culture so it can be discussed there. Stop derailing this thread which is about Obas and carnibalism.

No Oh!

Obugi please stay and talk on.

What FSU has started, Obugi MUST to complete!

Auspicious.

[Obugi]

Auspicious,

While you're here beating on FSU, I do remember you were a staunch supporter of Soul Sista's right to inquiry on the Widow Rape Thread.

What she did is no different from what FSU did here.

Let everyone mind their own peoples rubbish, look after your own before poking your nose into other peoples failings. We're all human.

!Get Yours!
Obugi.

[Auspicious]

Auspicious,

While you're here beating on FSU, ..

Na only beating?

Wait till I carve eim heart commot cook am chop!

I still get more hearts to chop for dis Village sef.

Make I go begin compile my list 1. FSU, 2. lateesha, 3. NextLevel, 4.

Auspy.

[VOR]

1. Remember I directed you to that linkserve. So why would I do so if I have to hide myself? There are many Igbos on there and one of them is DEFINITELY me. Choose the one that suits you.

2. Please tell us who is lying between you VOR, the Erelu, the Ex-NIDO chair and Med doc who said he was told, and the one close to the Egba royal family who told the EX NIDO chair what he knew?

Aren't you getting your facts mixed up here? There are only two contributions so far to that thread. One from the ex NIDO chair and the other from an Egba man. Here is the ex NIDO chair's first contribution to the topic.

Doc Okwy:

More grease to Erelu Ayonrinde's elbows.!

She will succeed in her mission when all decent and
enlightened Nigerians decide to lend their support
without prejudice to their tribal and religious backgrounds.

If Erelu Ayonrinde succeeds in eliminating the remnants of cannibalism
that still exists in the coronation ceremonies of some monarchs in Yoruba
land--(such as the eating of a bit of the tongue of the deceased Alake of Egbaland (Abeokuta)
by his incoming successor) and similar primitive practices elsewhere, the Igbo, Edo, and other Nigerian ethnic groups might start taking some steps to eliminate similar rituals in their own
communities.

Bye,

The other fellow (who is an Egba man) responded

Your reference point to Alake of Egbaland is more of a myth than fact. I will suggest you do true fact-finding to dispel that myth.

The news reporting begs more questions: How and when did deceased Oba Funsho Adeolu appear to Erelu Ayonrinde? Who did she refer to as "odis" slaves? Does slavery still exist in Yorubaland? What was the relevance of Christopher Columbus to an alleged practice in Yorubaland? Which town in Yorubaland will treat the corpse of its king "like that of a criminal", unless he violated ethics of office?

Let's look before we leap. There are too many holes in this story.

The NIDO guy then responds

You have a point.

There is a need to corroborate the accounts of cannibalistic practices in Yorubaland as much as we can, even as we admit that most ordinary citizens outside of our traditional cults have no real clues about what goes on behind the scenes during trasditional ceremonies.

My reference point for the Alake's coronation ceremony predated the Erelu's campaign. I heard the story from an Egba indigene who is close to the royalty in Abeokuta.

I believe the next step should be an expose of what goes on behind the scenes in royal ceremonies not only in Yorubalnd but throughout Nigeria.

bye,

So, tell the village how the ex NIDO's initial statement is fact even after he admits he heard it from a third party? Hearsay is now admissible in your own court abi?

3. As Agu Nwanyi 1 of Oboro land in Ikwuano LGA of Abia State, please tell us how many Ezes' tongues and livers you and you husband (in that part of Igboland a woman is not made a chief without the husband) ate during your corronation.

Neither have I or my husband eaten any human parts in Yorubaland during installation.

4. Now go back to that linkserve, the responses are populating.

Populating? you must be hallucinating. Please come and posts the comments so far received on that thread here.

5. Remember the NIDO guy said what he knew predates this new revelation by the Erelu.

Ah yes! the information he got from a third party? Did the good Dr. reveal other such practices he is aware of?

The more you deny and try to dent the Erelu, the more you hit a brick wall.

I don't need to deny nothing! If it serves your purpose to listen to the words of a discredited individual, fine! If a madman tells you the guy approaching you is a thief, and you decide to lynch the person, who is the mad person? Whilst where at it, do you also believe that people from the Caribbean are not African?


As they say, ''I hold you for work'', ok!

I think I have given you too much audience here. Many can see through your ill disguised attempt at rubbishing the Yoruba...it hasn't worked. Show me proof apart from this interview by Lola Ayorinde that Kings in Yoruba land in the 21st century eat human parts during their coronation...that's all I need now...the rest na awawi.

[Auspicious]

+

Twice, a post I made has been removed by the Administration.

Suffice to say that I am totally clueless as to why this happened.

Did the post flaunt the rules? In what way? I really do NOT know.

But it gives an incling as to why some act rude to the NVS Admin -

Because Admin's unexplained action itself comes across as rude.

It comes across as brash and dictatorial and prejudicial - sort of.

I can imagine another Villager in my shoes here responding rudely

When what he considers a valid denunciation is just scrubbed-off -

Sans explanation - nothing, giving the impression of bad-belleism.

Lack of info of this kind creates the kind of confusion that we see.

It makes the affected Villager seeth and denounce the NVS Admin

Kind of like the 'story' I told here while the trouble lasted on NVS.

And besides that a Forum member should not flout the rules here,

It also reflects badly on the judgement of the Village Admin itself -

That is when it just weeds out comment without any courtesies.

So, maybe this, too, will be summarily deleted without any care.

Which is fine - it is all good; we heart-choppers can take it all.

I am Auspicious. (The Heart-Chopping Yoruba Guy)

---

*Note-To-Self: Chop NVS' Admin's Heart.

[Auspicious]

I think I have given you too much audience here. Many can see through your ill disguised attempt at rubbishing the Yoruba...it hasn't worked.

Precisely the comment I made, only for my post to be yanked.

Maybe yours, too, will be yanked, I really can't say.

But I doubt it all the same. Anyway sha, VOR,..

HEART-CHOPPERS FOR LIFE!

Auspicious.

[Ajibs]

@MrsChocT

I'm a Yoruba man O and what Austin wrote makes makes absolute sense.
Yes, I've heard about the J'Oba thing. But does J'Oye also translate into eating Oye?

And what of J'aiye? Does that mean literally that people chop life?

History 101:
Let me try and recall some of my rusty history.

3. In those days in the absence of good scientific autopsy, and in spite of occassional strong circumstancial evidence, nobody could actually prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Aremo and his sympathisers/collaborators were not secretly administring poison or otherwise commiting Patricide. For years, there was lingering suspicion that that the Aremo,( with the assistance of palace insiders (Nobles, Palace Slaves, disgruntled wives, and other people who were close enough to have direct access to the Alafin) )were hurrying along the demise of the reigning Alaafin in order to hasten the accession of the new Aremo to the throne. The challange facing the empire was how to put a stop to this kind of thing. The Oyo mesi took the drastic and revolutionary step of instituting the practice of burying the Aremo and others close family members and servants along with the Alafin on his death.

4. The idea was to ensure that not only would the people who were close enough to harm the Alaafin would be checked, it also ensured that if the Alaafin as much as coughed, the Aremo and whoever stood to benefit from the death of the Alaafin would go crazy running around to ensure that the Alaafin did not die. The tradition had the desired effect. In fact the practice was so successful that soon enough, the killing of an Alaafin at the hands of his successor or whoever would benefit from his death became a thing of the past. And soon enough that traditional practice was abolished or being abolished around the time of time of Alaafin Aole. I will return to the consequences of that practice and its aboluton.


5. As earlier mentioned, the killings of the Alaafin by the hands of those who were close to him was abated by the practice of burying the first son as well as wives and slaves from the palace, so that with time, it actually became unecessary and it was slowly but surely done away with. However, when Alaafin Aole was to ascend the throne of his fathers, the Aare Onakakanfo (Afonja) for reasons best known to him rejected Aole and demanded that the old tradition be reinstituted and that Aole be made to die along with his father. The Oyo Mesi refused. Aole was crowned. That tradition was dead and done away with...

DT Actually makes a whole deal of sense up there (imagine that). From what he has written. I believe it presents an insight into the cannibalization practice and though apparently disgusting to many, it makes perfect sense.

As he noted, technology was not present to determine why an ailing Oba was sick and dying. However the Oyo Mesi or the Ogboni may have come up with this alternative to the burying of the Aremo and others with the eating of the heart and in the case of Egba land the tongue.

If the Oba was poisoned, it meant that poison was still present in the body (Heart or tongue). By making the incoming Oba eat that part if there was poison present, then it meant that new Oba would similarly be poisoned, or if he did indeed poison the Ailing Oba, he would refuse to eat the heart and thus expose and serve as confirmation that the Oba was indeed killed.

So it may have been a crude practice, but at the time it was instituted, it made sense. Then fast forward to present day Nigeria, can you honestly tell me that Nigerian hospitals or Labs can definitively conclude if a person has been poisoned? So the practice may very well still be relevant in certain communities if they deem it necessary.

Obugi
Indeed I am against female circumcision, not for any religious reason, its just is a very barbaric way of trying to promote abstinence. I do not quite know of any other reason why it is performed on young girls. It is performed in a many cases with crude implements, no anesthesia, as the pain is apparently part of the whole deal, and many times leads to infections, bleeding and other problems. Also I gather in many cases it creates problems at childbirth in the future.

If you do not want you kid to be fooling around, I like what one article on NVS said: get her a set of beads to wear around her waist! Chiekena! I believe you posted that article in fact. Ah! That reminds me of a comment I did want to make on that thread...

[docokwy]

I think I have given you too much audience here. Many can see through your ill disguised attempt at rubbishing the Yoruba...it hasn't worked. Show me proof apart from this interview by Lola Ayorinde that Kings in Yoruba land in the 21st century eat human parts during their coronation...that's all I need now...the rest na awawi.

The Erelu is a credible person who will not get her image sullied if she does not know what she is talking about

The NIDO guy, I assume is also credible, otherwise he will not engage in them say them say (as you claim it to be) in public with his real names.

The Egba person who is close to the ALAKE SHIP must have been credible enough to be believed by the NIDO guy; otherwise the NIDO guy won’t quote him in public.

A credible Yoruba newspaper interviewed her: the reporter did not refute her claims; the news company published the interview after a Yoruba editor musta have edited it; anybody who can read has read it and there has been no official rebutal by the Yoruba mainstream or any of the accussed Obas, and here you are talking blah blah blah like the fake Igbo woman you claim to be. Here you have it. Anything else is sheer romanticization, denial and justification.


BTW, do you have an issue with the ERELU, I just saw your location in England, as her? Jealousy, resentment, anything? I could help.

Lastly, I think I am the one giving you time to derail this thread. You are in denial and even deny that you are in denial. People know what they know and no amount of denial will save your arse. With people like you around, the Erelu should be careful while going home this Christmas. We will come back to this later.

[Obugi]

NAR,

Indeed I am against female circumcision,

That is your choice. Some people feel different. Oh, and are you against male circumcision too?

There are many adult women who choose to undergo circumcision. Some tribes in Nigeria prescribe circumcision for adult women, and the women do it voluntarily.

its just is a very barbaric way of trying to promote abstinence. I do not quite know of any other reason why it is performed on young girls. It is performed in a many cases with crude implements, no anesthesia, as the pain is apparently part of the whole deal, and many times leads to infections, bleeding and other problems.

Fine, some of the problems you listed above are technical and as such can be taken care of by any average doctor. Some just require mindset adjustment. This is 2009 abeg.

Also I gather in many cases it creates problems at childbirth in the future.

Properly done, it does not. Even all the fretting about wetim call...UVF and so on presupposes there is no way it can be done without harm.

As far as I'm concerned, its a matter of choice. Those that want to do it should be allowed, and that goes for male circumcision and ear piercing for both sexes and other such things. You have no right to prescribe for others what they should do with their bodies.


!Get Yours!
Obugi.

[Ajibs]

Obugi,
I more or less agree with everything you said, indeed its my choice and I am against it, I will for example if i found out it was going to be done strongly discourage it, but I would not enforce my opinion on others.

NAR,



That is your choice. Some people feel different. Oh, and are you against male circumcision too?

There are many adult women who choose to undergo circumcision. Some tribes in Nigeria prescribe circumcision for adult women, and the women do it voluntarily.

This may indeed be true, however the question I have asked is why is this procedure necessary aside from preventing promiscuity?


Fine, some of the problems you listed above are technical and as such can be taken care of by any average doctor. Some just require mindset adjustment. This is 2009 abeg.

I was tempted to add initially, if these circumsions were done like the male in hospitals, it could solve the problem easily.

Properly done, it does not. Even all the fretting about wetim call...UVF and so on presupposes there is no way it can be done without harm.

As far as I'm concerned, its a matter of choice. Those that want to do it should be allowed, and that goes for male circumcision and ear piercing for both sexes and other such things. You have no right to prescribe for others what they should do with their bodies.

Ah ha! Careful! I did not say that I had the right to prescribe to others what they did with their bodies. BUT! As I know we are agree, I am free to hold my opinion and try to convince others about why my opinion should prevail. But again without enforcing my opinion.


!Get Yours!
Obugi.

[Austin]

You know you are only real Yoruba person alive, so how could I, me have possibly heard of oriki ibeji? Haba, teach me something. Edumacate me pls... Are you guilty of something, I don't see where I quoted you saying anything about ibejis but if the shoe fits wear it well.

This post is moot. Interesting how people react when cornered. Of course am guilty, just that I don't know of what; and frankly, I don't care - as long as I am confirmed guilty. By the way I am a twin, and my parents worship me, and the next time I go home, my mother is sure going to cook ewa Ibeji, and make a feast, with drummers and all - old as I am.

[SNB]

This post is moot. Interesting how people react when cornered. Of course am guilty, just that I don't know of what; and frankly, I don't care - as long as I am confirmed guilty. By the way I am a twin, and my parents worship me, and the next time I go home, my mother is sure going to cook ewa Ibeji, and make a feast, with drummers and all - old as I am.

TMI, who asked you? If you are worshipped, good for you, that's your business..who really cares? Cornered? You're definitely confused, maybe a little too much worshipping has done you in...

[VOR]

In his lifetime, Oba Adeolu was a Christian and he made it known that he did not partake in anything fetish during his installation as king.

So when this King was installed he didn't partake in cannibalism but when he died he started appearing to her and telling her that his body has been fanned out across the land! ..... Let Lola Ayorinde tell us the names of the Chiefs she spoke with who confirmed that this has happened to the body of the late king.

I have carried the campaign to the international level so that Nigerians of affluence who are in diaspora would lobby the lawmakers and get a legal backing for the campaign to eradicate human sacrifice and cannibalism in Nigeria. A number of international media like the BBC have aired my interview on the campaign and some Nigerian people abroad are involved in the lobbying for a legislation to stop the obnoxious practices.

NGO anyone? Kai, never knew this woman could descend to lower depths.....oma se o!

[Austin]

TMI, who asked you? If you are worshipped, good for you, that's your business..who really cares? Cornered? You're definitely confused, maybe a little too much worshipping has done you in...

You are really taking things personal instead of discussing the issue. then I give you a personal example, and you are still angry, cornered and confused. I give a personal example too, to challenge the allegation that this thread is all about, to wit: people should talk about what they know for sure. So far, nobody that know for sure that cannibalistic rituals are practiced when corronating Obas have not shown up. So, how do you eradicate what is not confirmed as existing. See, am back to the thread. So, forget about me for a change.

[VOR]

If being 'real' Igbo is being you...I will take fake anyday!! You are a disgrace to that group period.....Luckily, your type is a minority in Igbo land. Whatever happened to you whilst in Ibadan years ago must have cut you up reaallllllllllllll deep....kpele you hia? such his life

Now answer my questions and stop faffing about. I will not indulge in back and forths with you any longer without you doing so.

Q1. If such practice is so horrendous, surely there will be other reports about its practice in the 21st century......I know you are a google research master, so go and find more on this and post it here. Not hearsay o! not interviews from people dead kings appeared to in their dreams o! You know the kind of evidence sane people will call credible.

Q2. Lola Ayorinde (your credible source) caused furore in the UK years ago when she said Caribbeans are not African.......Do you find this statement true?

Also I am waiting for you to post the "ongoing discussions" you claim to be happening on the listserv o.........I am sure villagers will want to know what those phantom posters have got to say....:shake:

The Erelu is a credible person who will not get her image sullied if she does not know what she is talking about

The NIDO guy, I assume is also credible, otherwise he will not engage in them say them say (as you claim it to be) in public with his real names.

The Egba person who is close to the ALAKE SHIP must have been credible enough to be believed by the NIDO guy; otherwise the NIDO guy won’t quote him in public.

A credible Yoruba newspaper interviewed her: the reporter did not refute her claims; the news company published the interview after a Yoruba editor musta have edited it; anybody who can read has read it and there has been no official rebutal by the Yoruba mainstream or any of the accussed Obas, and here you are talking blah blah blah like the fake Igbo woman you claim to be. Here you have it. Anything else is sheer romanticization, denial and justification.


BTW, do you have an issue with the ERELU, I just saw your location in England, as her? Jealousy, resentment, anything? I could help.

Lastly, I think I am the one giving you time to derail this thread. You are in denial and even deny that you are in denial. People know what they know and no amount of denial will save your arse. With people like you around, the Erelu should be careful while going home this Christmas. We will come back to this later.

[Oluwato]

Austin,

I remember you are an "Ibeji", and I also remember our discourse a while back...sorry about your twin's demise,... but don't be worshipped o... you are not a "god", or are you believing to become an orisha?...just kidding. You remind me of those songs I used to sing in those days, taye kain, fijolese, eyin na leo jorayin and oro ejire o, oro ejire o, nkole foro ejire mi sawada...

Anyway, when you visit Nigeria, let me know how your African church is, I'm thinking of doing a research on African church, the one I grew up in has changed for the better, thanks to the youth who made the elders live by the bible... let me know whether the fire of truth is burning in your old church as well.

Thanks.

Oluwato

[Auspicious]

If being 'real' Igbo is being you...I will take fake anyday!! You are a disgrace to that group period.....Luckily, your type is a minority in Igbo land. Whatever happened to you whilst in Ibadan years ago must have cut you up reaallllllllllllll deep....

Oooh, so FSU is actually Doctor Okwy? As in NVS' very own Docowky?

He told a similar story to justify his endless hateful assault on Yorubafolks! :

Auspicious.

[Auspicious]

Oh Great Pot done add petrol to fire!

Auspicious.

[SNB]

You are really taking things personal instead of discussing the issue. then I give you a personal example, and you are still angry, cornered and confused. I give a personal example too, to challenge the allegation that this thread is all about, to wit: people should talk about what they know for sure. So far, nobody that know for sure that cannibalistic rituals are practiced when corronating Obas have not shown up. So, how do you eradicate what is not confirmed as existing. See, am back to the thread. So, forget about me for a change.

You made things personal, I didn't. You don't hear me talking of my parents or flaunting ibeji status. That was your choice and my response to that is still what it IS - TMI.

Just because I choose not to feed into your mess doesn't make me angry, cornered or confused. If anything at all, you seem to be the one with issues. You have been forgotten. It is a done deal.

[Austin]

Austin,

I remember you are an "Ibeji", and I also remember our discourse a while back...sorry about your twin's demise,... but don't be worshipped o... you are not a "god", or are you believing to become an orisha?...just kidding. You remind me of those songs I used to sing in those days, taye kain, fijolese, eyin na leo jorayin and oro ejire o, oro ejire o, nkole foro ejire mi sawada...

Anyway, when you visit Nigeria, let me know how your African church is, I'm thinking of doing a research on African church, the one I grew up in has changed for the better, thanks to the youth who made the elders live by the bible... let me know whether the fire of truth is burning in your old church as well.

Thanks.

Oluwato

Oluwato,
Your request will be considered, but I don't promise it being honoured.
On being worshipped, it's my prerogative. But consider this; it's all fun. Fun of living. Fun of life. Human beings are egoistic beings. And we have to flatter each others egos. I worship my mothers too, just like Yorubas in general do. Now, if that makes us all gods, so be it. After all the Bible also says, "ye are gods..." It's just an important part of being humans - here on earth.
Thank you too.

[Austin]

Just because I choose not to feed into your mess doesn't make me angry, cornered or confused. If anything at all, you seem to be the one with issues. You have been forgotten. It is a done deal.

Thanks and let it be so. Or do you prefer Amen? Back to the issue abeg.

[Austin]

Deleted. Double post.

[Austin]

fellow villagers,i want to post these horrible pictures of man eaters from somewhere in Asia.for those who said cannibalism does not exist, atleast they said pictures does not lie.enjoy or have nightmare sorry. Attachment 701

GreatPot,
The issue had been dealt with and satisfactorilly so too. Check the archives please. Again, this is the type of issue where people's mind, and or maybe eyes, are playing tricks on them.

[docokwy]

If being 'real' Igbo is being you...I will take fake anyday!! You are a disgrace to that group period.....Luckily, your type is a minority in Igbo land. Whatever happened to you whilst in Ibadan years ago must have cut you up reaallllllllllllll deep....kpele you hia? such his life

Now answer my questions and stop faffing about. I will not indulge in back and forths with you any longer without you doing so.

Q1. If such practice is so horrendous, surely there will be other reports about its practice in the 21st century......I know you are a google research master, so go and find more on this and post it here. Not hearsay o! not interviews from people dead kings appeared to in their dreams o! You know the kind of evidence sane people will call credible.

Q2. Lola Ayorinde (your credible source) caused furore in the UK years ago when she said Caribbeans are not African.......Do you find this statement true?

Also I am waiting for you to post the "ongoing discussions" you claim to be happening on the listserv o.........I am sure villagers will want to know what those phantom posters have got to say....:shake:

The Oba pre-coronation rituals are shrouded in mystery till tomorrow. True or false?
What goes on there is not for mere mortals like VOR

Erelu Ayorinde (and the Egba guy who was quoted) happened to know what most people do not.

The NIDO guy has not recanted his claim. He trusts the source of his claims.

There has been no refutal from any Oba, from any Yoruba historian, from even anyone on NVS. The original article is still on cyber

All we here is denial upon denial from a thoroughly discredited VOR
and a semi-credible Auspicious

VOR is the one to proove Erelu wrong and not FSU who merely posted what an insider (Erelu) wants abolished

Good that the news is on BBC; they and the Erelu will follow it up and we will get to know more in time. In sha Allah!

What is it about Ibadan? Is that where you live? Never been there before. Right now as we speak, a Yoruba sister is rubbing my back; so the issue of hatred for any one is out of the question. I only hammer you when you deny the obvious. Note that the more you discredit the Erelu, the more she becomes a hero. Didn't the NIDO guy pray for her to succeed? Suceed in what then?

VOR knows nada. What a shame for an Olori and an Agu Nwanyi of Oboroland (albeit an unverifiable one).

[lateesha]

Right now as we speak, a Yoruba sister is rubbing my back;

agu nwoke!!

You have Kudirat on lockdown and you are here causing trouble
Is it the dowry in Isiekenesi that drove you to the SW
My brother jidekwa k'iji (hold on tight)
ebe onye bi k'o n'awa chi (wherever you find yourself,you make it your dwelling place and occupy well well)

[VOR]

Proof please not hearsay!!

Abeg, someone pass me toothpick to clear the remnants of correct human tongue I just finished consuming as Agu Nwanyi 1

FSU.........still waiting o....:shake::shake::shake::shake::shake::shake:
Oya conduct your research on google quick.....its free remember

The Oba coronation rituals are shrouded in mystery till tomorrow. True or false?
What goes on there is not for mere mortals like VOR

Erelu Ayorinde (and the Egba guy who was quoted) happened to know what most people do not.

The NIDO guy has not recanted his claim. He trusts the source of his claims.

There has been no refutal from any Oba, from any Yoruba historian, from even anyone on NVS. The original article is still on cyber

All we here is denial upon denial from a thoroughly discredited VOR
and a semi-credible Auspicious

VOR is the one to proove Erelu wrong and not FSU who merely posted what an insider (Erelu) wants abolished

Good that the news is on BBC; they and the Erelu will follow it up and we will get to know more in time. In sha Allah!

What is it about Ibadan? Is that where you live? Never been there before. Right now as we speak, a Yoruba sister is rubbing my back; so the issue of hatred for any one is out of the question. I only hammer you when you deny the obvious. Note that the more you discredit the Erelu, the more she becomes a hero. Didn't the NIDO guy pray for her to succeed? Suceed in what then?

VOR knows nada. What a shame for an Olori and an Agu Nwanyi of Oboroland (albeit an unverifiable one).

[Auspicious]

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Academic and enlightening debates should always be welcome on this Forum. The Forum continues to benefit those of us who wish to learn of ourselves and others, and not only of traditions and such do we learn, but of other aspects of life as well. We should however be alert to people who use the pretext of sharing or seeking knowledge to propagate their prejudices around this Forum - people whose phobia for others is so deep that they feel a pressing need to give vent to it quite often.

From the position of a Villager who understands and respects the sensitivities that come with others' cultures, values and traditions, I maintain that this thread was launched on a premise that is as dishonest as it is irresponsible. More than anyone else on this Forum, the thread-starter is known more for making the Yoruba heritage his favorite punching-bag, particularly as it affects the so-called rituals with which he loves to use to deride the Yoruba. And that is fact.

I don't just make this charge; the history of the thread-starter speaks for itself here. It is a history of disguised or open insults for the Yoruba people which anyone who reads him closely here will easily see. And that is why the discussion has a negative aura around it so far, starting right from the word go. It is a poisoned discourse, thanks to the thread-starter. He has his mind made up about the Yoruba people and he seeks to drive home a subjective view than to be enlightened.

I hope those who run the show here (the Forum Administration) will not allow themselves to be fooled any further by this fellow. I have made this same complaint twice today but my comments keep being deleted with no explanations. What we have here is NOT a healthy or enriching discourse in any way whatsoever and I hope the Administration would work to prevent this Forum from being used as an engine to propagate the bigotry and intolerance that has become a way of life for some.

Auspicious.

[docokwy]

Erelu Tunwase Ayonrinde Erelu Tunwase of Ode-Remo, Chief Lola Ayonrinde, who is the Otun Iyalode of Shomolu and Lagos District, and also the Yeye Akinrogun of Ikeji-Ile Ijesa was twice Mayor of the London Borough of Wandsworth

Hm! These titles na real tear rubber. Surely this is no mere mortal. She dines with both spirits and mortals, and knows the inner workings of the Obaship. She is more credible than any faceless VOR a million fold.

[NoLongThing]

Personally I find nothing wrong with people raising questions about Obas chopping other Obas irrespective of where they come from - it obviously is of sufficient concern to any one of us moreso given that as Nigerians we all inhabit that geograpical area. To be honest whilst I do not give much of a credence to the person of Lola Ayorinde, the fact remains that many people including myself are well aware of the fact that these matters have been of fairly public knowledge even though it's practice might well be receding.

[docokwy]

Auspicious,

Why don't you simply say that the issue in question does not happen anywhere in Yorubaland or that it happens. Why sit on the fence and prefer that we do not discuss it at all? What have you enlightened me here? I cannot live in a vacuum. Tell me what you know or think then the vacuum will get slowly filled up.

You are the one making a mountain out of a mole hill. That is probably why your posts get deleted.

[docokwy]

Personally I find nothing wrong with people raising questions about Obas chopping other Obas irrespective of where they come from - it obviously is of sufficient concern to any one of us moreso given that as Nigerians we all inhabit that geograpical area. To be honest whilst I do not give much of a credence to the person of Lola Ayorinde, the fact remains that many people including myself are well aware of the fact that these matters have been of fairly public knowledge even though it's practice might well be receding.

Its getting closer. I have heard this things many times too, but because I am not a shon of the shoil I did not take it seriously until it was confirmed by no less a person than an Erelu and another shon of the shoil NIDO Medical Doctor

[Auspicious]

Auspicious,

Why don't you simply say that the issue in question does not happen anywhere in Yorubaland or that it happens. Why sit on the fence and prefer that we do not discuss it at all? What have you enlightened me here? I cannot live in a vacuum. Tell me what you know or think then the vacuum will get slowly filled up..

Any such discussion coming from you is fraudulent because, as I said, it is not inspired by any honorable intent to educate yourself or anyone else, but is actually intended to spread the noted prejudice that you have against the Yoruba as wide and loud as you can.

I can't stop you or those who indulge you on your obsessive campaign. But I will speak-up wherever you rise to opine on these themes. I will continue to speak and highlight your notorious interest wherever it manifests so that others would not be fooled about your intentions.

Auspicious.

[admin]

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