Windows: Yoruba and Hausa versions coming soon!

[Ajibs]

Microsoft to release Yoruba; Hausa version of windows!
Its no joke, well I hope not! It is also not surprising considering the fact that noting that Bill Gates intends to remain the world richest man for quite a while! Oh how I wish I had money to invest more in Microsoft shares!

Now against all odds, Nigeria somehow manages to make progress, it is funny when I started reading the article posted, I said to myself, Windows in Kiswahili??? And Not Hausa or Yoruba? What gives? And if I am not mistaken the largest group of the Yoruba and Hausa peoples are in Nigeria. I can say for sure that translating Windows into Yoruba and yes, Hausa is poised to make a HUGE difference in the education of the Nigerian public, it would be a big boost for those residing in the Villages, and rural areas. More people would be interested in learning about computers seeing that the software is one that they are familiar with the language.

I for one think that this is a very good major development...Microsoft must have some ogbonge Yoruba and Hausa guys working for them! Interesting! But wait, ummm....how will they afford the computer to run the Yoruba version of MS windows??? Besides will there be NEPA to even run your computer in Ilesha, or Zungeru?

Windows OS: Yoruba and Hausa versions coming soon!

[Anuwada]

Microsoft are perfectly entitled to do what they want with their resources.

However, I think it is a waste of time developing versions of Windows in Hausa and Yoruba.

I believe that the people who would benefit from this development are those who cannot understand English but can read/write Hausa or Yoruba.

But this group is very small - most people who cannot speak English tend to be illiterate.

If Microsoft really want to do something useful, they could spend their money funding local initiatives to promote literacy amongst Nigerians.

[Ajibs]

I believe that the people who would benefit from this development are those who cannot understand English but can read/write Hausa or Yoruba.

I think there are enough Nigerians that speak read and write in Yoruba and Hausa to make the program a success, also do not forget that both Yoruba and Hausa are spoken across other West African countries, so the benefits are not exclusive to Nigeria.

Furthermore, when I was in Secondary school, it was mandatory to take one native Nigerian language in class, if this is already being done, it can be greatly enhanced with the use of software in our native language.

Finally one would think that those that are preaching that we need more African local development should welcome developments like this.

[DeepThought]

This is absolutely absolutely meaningless. God....This is woeful and less than useless.This is even worse than a PR stunt.

When I was in primary school, we read a story about Alli Baba.
Alli Baba was an Arab trader who came across some ignorant naked tribesmen(Africans). These people had for years been hearing about sugar, tea and all the likes but had never really seen any of these. However, but they yearned for these.

Alli Baba quickly realized the potential for exploitation and capitalizing on the ignorance, trust and naivety of the natives, sold tea to them and in addition gave them ashes in place of sugar

Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves, offering ashes and calling it sugar.
When will we Africans recognise ashes for what it is and stop rejoicing over ashes?.

If Microsoft really wants to help, let them tell the "truth"
1. Let them expose the people to Linux
2. Let them sell windows at a discount as they are presently doing in Malasia
3.Let them offer scholarships(or more if they are alrady offering some) for Nigerian students to study IT
4. Let them offer internships/sabaticals to Nigerian IT professionals, students and academics
5. Let them stop this nonsese of windows in Hausa/Igbo/Effik?

I or any IT undergraduate can easily write a program to translate windows to yoruba/Hausa if I wish

It is nothing. In fact it is less than nothing.

We need to compete aggressively and fiercely on the world stage and not lull ourselves to sleep any further than we already have.

If others deceive us,fine, thats O.K, there is at least the hope that one day we will wake up. If we deceive ourselves, it is all over.



When will we stop chasing after shadows and go after something really meaningful rather than empty ego stroking,another empty giant of Africa thing??


SHAME

[Ajibs]

Deep Thought,
So when did Bill Gates announce that he is the new father Christmas? The man is in business to make money, and how and what he does with his money is his business. If there were no potential users in Africa, the software would not be translated.

Now later on you will turn around and accuse the Western world for not taking Africa seriously. Even if it's a small dent, why not have the software in the local language of the people? Why force them to learn English simple because we are a 3rd world country and we want to use computers? Already Microsoft products are in other major languages, French, Chinese, Indian et al so why not Hausa and Yoruba?

...Let them expose the people to Linux...

Why? Nah Bill gates get Linux? Nah him design the software? Why should he promote what he has not contribution to?

...Let them sell windows at a discount as they are presently doing in Malaysia...

When I read the article I did not see any price for the proposed software, have you been told how much it will sell for?

...Let them offer scholarships(or more if they are already offering some) for Nigerian students to study IT...

You see you do not even know if they are currently offering scholarships or not, but as far as you are concerned that really does not matter to you the man is not serious in your books. For your information see below:

An initiative of HSPH to prevent the spread of HIV and AIDS in Nigeria has received $25 million from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. The grant is the largest single private grant awarded to HSPH in its history and the second given to HSPH by the Gates Foundation in two months. The grant will fund the Nigerian AIDS Prevention Initiative, a program sponsored by HSPH in collaboration with the Harvard Center for International Development at the Kennedy School of Government.

this is money specifically designated to Nigeria ALONE.

... I or any IT undergraduate can easily write a program to do translate windows to Yoruba/Hausa if I wish ...

Okay what is holding you from carrying out the wish? So why have you not written the program? You are under the illusion that it will not be useful? That's you biggest Mistake. Did you read the story about the guy who is giving Microsoft Competition in Ghana by designing a software package that was tailored to the local needs of the Ghanaian public?

It is attitudes like this that has put Nigeria where it is today, If It is less than nothing indeed, so what have you done? Bill Gates is not MORALLY, or in any other way obligated to help Nigeria, he has the right to do as he wishes with his company. Not so? His businesses were set up to make a profit not to become the modern day father Christmas

You talk about chasing after shadows, where are the shadows? Who is chasing what? Did anybody go and beg Microsoft to launch its products in Hausa and Yoruba? Did you? The company on its own sees the potential of a huge market and is planning to tap into the market, while you are busy fuming, others are preparing themselves to become millionaires though the introduction of the software.

[Anuwada]

>>I think there are enough Nigerians that speak read and write in Yoruba and Hausa to make the program a success, also do not forget that both Yoruba and Hausa are spoken across other West African countries, so the benefits are not exclusive to Nigeria. - Aji2003<<

I am NOT talking just about people who can read/write Yoruba/Hausa; I am talking about people who can read/write Yoruba/Hausa and NOTHING else.

What is the incentive for people who are already comfortable with reading/writing English to learn to use an operating system written in Yoruba/Hausa, especially when there is little software written in this language to run on the operating system?

Or is Microsoft going to write word processing programs, spreadsheet programs etc. in Yoruba/Hausa as well?

What is the incentive to use a Yoruba/Hausa version of Windows that is largely untried when you can get much more support using an existing English version that many other people use?

>>Furthermore, when I was in Secondary school, it was mandatory to take one native Nigerian language in class, if this is already being done, it can be greatly enhanced with the use of software in our native language.<<

This statement makes no sense to me at all. How can 'taking one native Nigerian language' be enhanced by 'the use of software in our native language'?

>>Finally one would think that those that are preaching that we need more African local development should welcome developments like this.<<

And is this African local development?

Anyway, it is not as if Microsoft will make that much money from the venture. I expect that 95% of the copies of such software to will be found in pirated versions in places like Otigba market

[DeepThought]

Hello Aji,
I should responsed to what I can sensibly respond to.

Of course I'm pissed.But I'm not pissed at Bill gates or Microsoft.I really don't care what Microsoft does or doesn't. But I care about how we respond to what Microsoft does(or does not do).

Yes indeed, this company needs not act like father Xmas and it doesn't.Microsoft's buisness practices are well known. From bullying a school kid with a similar name(Mike Rowe) who registerd his own website to killing Netscape and ripping off the Mac GUI,I need not go into Microsoft's, history of abuse,past and ongoing litigations.

What I'm pissed about is what I perceive as rejoicing over nothing- as if Microsoft was dashing away something or doing some spectacular favour to Nigeria.

At least thats what your initial posts looked like to me.Hope that makes sense to you.


>>

You see you do not even know if they are currently offering scholarships or not, but as far as you are concerned that really does not matter to you the man is not serious in your books. >>
An initiative of HSPH to prevent the spread of HIV and AIDS in Nigeria has received $25 million from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. The grant is the largest single private grant awarded to HSPH in its history and the second given to HSPH by the Gates Foundation in two months. The grant will fund the Nigerian AIDS Prevention Initiative, a program sponsored by HSPH in collaboration with the Harvard Center for International Development at the Kennedy School of Government<<

Now that you've raised this issue, I can go in this direction.

You are wrong.Yes I'm quite aware of the Gates Foundation and some of their activities. I'm not impressed. I know more than you might think about Microsoft and Bill Gates and I've written to the Gates Foundation outlining my views and opinions about what I think they should be doing instead.

That was only me expressing an opinion.

I do not consider myself to be one of the ultra Afrocentrists on this board, nevertheless, I appreciate a lot of their views and wish people would pay more attention to these.I have nothing against altruism but I also happen to be one of those people who look beyond apparent altruism.
I do not see the money donated by microsoft as a good thing. Given my own temperament/nature and my sense of history I admit I do not see things in simple terms. In fact I do not see foreign aid as a good thing at all and I believe most times, more harm is done than good by these.


As for the rest of your post, e.g,attitudes such as mine being responsible for Nigeria's problems....., my not writing a program to have widows in Yoruba/Igbo, what have I done... bla bla bla..... I'm sorry for pissing you off and I cannot respond sensibly to this as I'm not smart enough to understand you on this.

Cheers

[Ajibs]

Amuwada,

...I am NOT talking just about people who can read/write Yoruba/Hausa; I am talking about people who can read/write Yoruba/Hausa and NOTHING else...

So the question I would ask you is why should I if I am bilingual not have the luxury or the ability to choose what language I choose to write my papers in, what is wrong with me having the ability to produce a spreadsheet in Yoruba? Or an essay in Hausa, even if I am fluent in English as well? How do you suggest that we preserve our local languages if we cannot figure out how to bring them into the computer age?

... What is the incentive for people who are already comfortable with reading/writing English to learn to use an operating system written in Yoruba/Hausa, especially when there is little software written in this language to run on the operating system?..

Let me be a typical Nigerian and answer your question with a question: HA! Why do so many Nigerians who are fluent in English insist on speaking their native tongues to each other when they are at home and even in public?

Now let me answer both questions, because they are very comfortable with that form of communication!

Now consider this: Why do so many Nigerians abroad yearn to watch Nigerian made movies, why do they spend money buying them? Especially when truth be told they are no of the same quality as the movies coming out of Hollywood which they can also easily afford to go and see or buy?

I strongly suspect a few things
1. They movies act as a connection to Nigeria they remind us of who we are and where we are from.
2. it is a mark of Nigerian progress, a thing of pride that Nigerian movies are being made in Nigeria and are gaining popularity all over the world, this was how bollywood started, and now it is a respected Movie industry worldwide.

Now back to the Microsoft issue. I would argue that it is a thing of great pride for one to be able to sit down to a modern day computer machine and type, conduct ones business or activities and communicate in our local language. (Imagine chatting with your old Grandmother on Yahoo Messenger in Hausa) It will promote our languages, next thing we know, there will be programs (if they are not already out there) teaching you how to speak Yoruba and Hausa online.

The software giant has agreed to translate its Office software into the language to cater for the growing number of computer users in Africa.

...Or is Microsoft going to write word processing programs, spreadsheet programs etc. in Yoruba/Hausa as well?..

Yes, MS Office comprises of all the MS Windows programs, MS Word, MS Excel, (A spread sheet program), MS PowerPoint (Imagine doing a PowerPoint presentation to the Oba in Yoruba!)

Imagine, you want to have an AIDS seminar in the village in Yoruba land or Hausa land, you are now able to make your presentation in Yoruba, and Hausa, so you need not
translate to the people as they are able to read and understand what they are seeing on the screen!

...And is this African local development?

Anyway, it is not as if Microsoft will make that much money from the venture. I expect that 95% of the copies of such software to will be found in pirated versions in places like Otigba market ...

two good points.

Yes it is not an African development does that mean that we cannot embrace it and use it and make it better? Will it not be fluent speakers in Yoruba and Hausa that will be employed by Microsoft to write the software? Did we wait for Africans to invert airplanes before we stated flying out of our country to the whole world? Did we develop and African telephone before embracing the new GSM technologies? When we are sick do we only go and see babalawo to be cured?

Secondly on the issue of piracy you are correct first technologies are making it harder to copy certain software's, but if we take you argument as valid, do you think that Microsoft is unaware of what may happen? So can I not then argue that they are obviously no going into the Nigerian market to make money but to simply increase the popularity and use of their product? And present an alternative that will assist the local people in becoming more computer literate?

Deepthought,

...You are wrong.Yes I'm quite aware of the Gates Foundation and some of their activities. I'm not impressed. I know more than you might think about Microsoft and Bill Gates and I've written to the Gates Foundation outlining my views and opinions about what I think they should be doing instead.

That was only me expressing an opinion...

Granted. That's very good, so you have some inside information, fine, but I do not have the information that you have access to so I cannot agree with you in ignorance. Now you are perfectly right, you are just expressing your opinion. Now the question becomes, what made you form this opinion? And educated guess? A result of extensive study of the Nigerian situation, hence you have come up with you own better solutions? An opinion formed by following the ideas of a p[particular school of thought? An opinion derived from the result of data collected in Nigeria? Just how did you form your opinion?

There are thousand of millionaires in the world and even within Nigeria who have not voted to help Nigeria in any way at all, the man that chooses to help, you say you are not impressed with what he is doing! What have they done that is not to your liking? Sponsored IT graduates? And do you know for a fact that what the gates foundation is doing is not making a difference in Nigeria either now or I the future?


...What I'm pissed about is what I perceive as rejoicing over nothing- as if Microsoft was dashing away something or doing some spectacular favour to Nigeria...

Yes I do believe that there is cause to rejoice. I was and am not expecting Microsoft to dash away anything. Why should it be that all the help or involvement that we expect from the Western world should be in the form of "dash" What have we done to deserve these dash? In my opinion, Microsoft releasing its Windows software in the Nigerian native languages, knowing very well that the lingua franca of the country is English shows that they believe there is potential in that market. This is an investment that will invariably lead to jobs, hopefully located in Nigeria. Even if it is only 500 jobs, that is 500 better than zero!

Furthermore, looks to me that you have this attitude that whatever "Oyingbo": man does is bad! Now for the love of me I cannot see how having Windows software in our native languages is a detriment to the progress of the Nigerian society, can you explain that to me? I do not see why the effort is not to be commended. Your initial post indicates that what would have indeed impressed you would have been Microsoft announcing FREE things for Nigerians: Take a second and deeper (since you are one of deepthought) look at your 5 things that you want Microsoft to do:

1.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Let them expose the people to Linux

Why!? What gives? Is Linux a Microsoft product? So tell me who have you seen introduce his rivals' product to a market that he is potentially trying to capture? When you go a Toyota car dealer, does he advise you to go buy Honda instead? When you want to get a cell phone does AT& T tell you that hey look there is Sprint, check them out for a few months and then come and tell us what you think?

2.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Let them sell windows at a discount as they are presently doing in Malaysia

Now I asked you, do you know at what price the Yoruba version of Windows will be sold In Nigeria, does your inside information confirm that the price will be higher that that of Malaysia? You do not know the price at which the product will be sold YET you are already unimpressed!

3. Let them offer scholarships(or more if they are already offering some) for Nigerian students to study IT

Why? What do they owe Nigerian students? That they should give them free scholarships? Granted Nigerians are considered very brilliant, but so are the students of many other countries not getting a dime from Bill Gates! Now what is interesting is that
A>&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp you are not even sure if they are currently offering scholarships, and
B>&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Even if they are, you are not satisfied with a number unknown to you!
So just give us more FREE stuff even when I do not know if you have given any already.

4.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Let them offer internships/sabbaticals to Nigerian IT professionals, students and academics

Again why? What have Nigerian IT professional done to deserve free scholarships? What prevents them from fighting to get a good job like everyone else in the world? What would be the returns for offering scholarships to Nigerians?

5.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Let them stop this nonsense of windows in Hausa/Igbo/Effik?

As you can see (hopefully) I see no legitimate reason for them not introducing the Windows in Local languages.

Yes indeed, this company needs not act like father Xmas and it doesn't.Microsoft's buisness practices are well known. From bullying a school kid with a similar name(Mike Rowe) who registerd a website to Killing Netscape and ripping off the Mac GUI,I need not go into Microsoft's, history of abuse,past and ongoing litigations.

You are quite correct, with your accusation on Microsoft above, in the case of the Windows version in Yoruba and Hausa, who are they bullying out of the market? Secondly what is referred to as a Hostile take over of a company in the business world? Is Microsoft the first (or last) company that will try to take over and or kill its competition? Wal-Mart tries to go into many communities in America and the people vote no, due to the certain death that is to face their local markets, but some other communities will embrace Wal-mart with open arms! The company is known for provided the cheapest products in its stores, they employ local people, yet that say that their employee relations sometimes stinks? The questions the communities ask them self, do we gain more by having Wal-Mart come in or do we loose more?


...I do not see the money donated by Microsoft as a good thing. Given my own temperament/nature and my sense of history I admit I do not see things in simple terms. In fact I do not see foreign aid as a good thing at all and I believe most times, more harm is done than good by these...

Yes, again you express your opinion, and not that it is not a good one, I must say that I agree with you to a point, I would much rather go a bank and borrow money when in need that ask a friend, because, that friend will one day cash in his favor he gave you, with the bank you simply pay you interest!

But we live in a world of the survival of the fittest, sometimes we are not in a position to dictate what we do or act as we would like to, not so? Also remember it takes two to tango, Microsoft has its reasons for wanting to produce its software in local Nigerian languages, the question then becomes for Nigerians is how do they use this to their own advantage? When a man says he is giving you free money, why are you foolish enough to see that it can never be free? And how are you also planning to checkmate the fellow in his actions?

[Anuwada]

Aji2003, first of all, please endeavour to spell my name correctly. I am sure you would not like it if I called you Aja2003.

>>So the question I would ask you is why should I if I am bilingual not have the luxury or the ability to choose what language I choose to write my papers in, what is wrong with me having the ability to produce a spreadsheet in Yoruba? Or an essay in Hausa, even if I am fluent in English as well? How do you suggest that we preserve our local languages if we cannot figure out how to bring them into the computer age?<<

There is nothing wrong in you having the luxury to choose which language you write your papers in.

The fact is, with current versions of Windows, you CAN produce word documents in Yoruba, spreadsheets in Igbo and slides in Hausa.

The only difference with the new version of windows (I suppose) is that the user interface will be changed so that menus, dialog box messages, etc. will be in the native language, and there will be character support for these language alphabets.

This is why I say that the new software will of significant benefit ONLY people who CANNOT read English but can read Yoruba/Hausa. This is because with the new software, they will be able to read commands and messages and thus use the computer effectively.

But these are not significant enough changes to persuade someone who is ALREADY used to producing documents in his native tongue on ENGLISH versions of Windows to switch.

As to preserving our local languages, that is NONE of my concern.



>>I would argue that it is a thing of great pride for one to be able to sit down to a modern day computer machine and type, conduct ones business or activities and communicate in our local language. (Imagine chatting with your old Grandmother on Yahoo Messenger in Hausa) It will promote our languages, next thing we know, there will be programs (if they are not already out there) teaching you how to speak Yoruba and Hausa online.<<

But this is of NO USE if your grandmother cannot READ or WRITE. This is the point I have been making since, but it looks like you are ignoring this on purpose.

And it does not seem that you have understood my original question. You see, it is NOT enough for someone to develop an operating system in a particular language if there is NO software written in that language to run on the system. The operating system can only go SO far in translating the commands that appear on programs.

For example, you spoke about using Yahoo messenger just now - what happens if Yahoo choose not to develop a Yoruba/Hausa version? Then your grandmother is still stuck.

Anyway, I will leave you to your misconceptions about this development - I maintain that it is just eyewash to bamboozle gullible Nigerians.

[DeepThought]

Hello Aji,
>>..........An opinion formed by following the ideas of a p[particular school of thought? An opinion derived from the result of data collected in Nigeria? Just how did you form your opinion?<<

>>And do you know for a fact that what the gates foundation is doing is not making a difference in Nigeria either now or I the future?<<

You should realize all opinions are formed by a combination in some degree of all the methods you mentioned above and more..... Mine is no different or special.

I do not claim Divine revelation as I don't even believe in a personal God as preached by theists. I do not know if the Gates foundation will make a difference tomorrow. In fact I know nothing. Not only do I know nothing, I do not even believe it is possible to know anything for sure except parhaps the most trivial of sensory perceptions.

Having said that, do I still make plans for tomorrow knowing fully well that I may not wake up in the morning? - Yes
Do I still express opinions based upon my experience, observations, information/data I have synthesised to the best of my abilities over the years? - Yes.

Why do I do these in spite of this apparently slightly nihilist world view? - Because, I am every bit an hapless participant of the illusion of life as the next man.

Can I force you or anyone to accept my views? -No
But I can still express these in the hopes that it could in some little way make a difference somewhere somehow

I know that our world views are very different and you will not likely see things from my perspective, nevertheless, I should at least try and explain why Isee the issue of rejoicing over windows GUI as another symptom of what ails Nigeria and Africa,- why I see this as yet another chasing after shadows.

I will start to tell you by quoting

There is no subjugation so perfect as that which keeps the appearance of freedom for in that way one captures volition itself

...........Jean-Jacques Rousseau

If your enemy is asleep do not wake him, if he is not, Lull him to sleep, flatter himand imbibe in him a false sense of security,

..........Anonymous

Napoleon once

said If your enemy makes a mistake or is engaged in self destructive, behaviour do not stop him

You at least agree with the survival of the fittest world view.
I have taken this a step further.You can fight a war without being personal. I do not hate I do not hate Oyinbos as you wish to potray but I believe we(All of Mankind) are at war of some sort. Nobody is neutral, nobody is excluded. NOBODY.

Regardless of your knowing this or not,Every body is an agent of some sort. EVERYBODY. Including Microsoft and they do have a right to conduct buisness as war without being personal.



Yet in Africa/Nigeria we drive cars which we do not manufacture. Not only do we not manufacture the cars, very few of us know the basis/basics of thermodynamics or even bother with the science behind the product.
In other words, we like to deceive ourselves into thinking we can use ready made products and technology of which we have not bothered to learn the basics
This same statement goes for cell phones, TVs, XXXPUTINYOURCHOICEXXXX..........

This problem does not stop with technology.Our system of Government is HANDMEDOWN.Even our country is HANDMEDOWN, a situation which we have not even bothered to examine the basis of.
We have been able collectively to do NOTHING for ourselves and by ourselves. NOTHING. Yet we are proud of all the wrong things based upon what I perceive as ego and self flattery



Personally,I will reserve my joy for the day we have an education minister who makes computer science compulsory in pimary/seconday schools.

So by your reasoning you think it is a thing of joy if Toyota or Nissan introduces a car into Nigeria with the owner's manual in Igbo??? Convesely I will see that as NOTHING. NOTHING. I will rejoice when we make the tyre of the Toyota in Aba.

>>I cannot see how having Windows software in our native languages is a detriment to the progress of the Nigerian society, can you explain that to me? I do not see why the effort is not to be commended. <<

It is easy for false pride to masquerades as true. We seek affirmation from outside rather then from within.
Rather than truthfully accepting our limitations and working to overcome these we crave attention and notoriety in order to receive affirmation of what is a false sense of self.

So Microsoft annouces windows for yoruba and you think it is a cause for rejoicing.
Why? Because Windows exist in Swahilli but not in Mighty Yoruba abi? What a slap in the face of the Giant of Africa eh?
MeanwhileYoruba/Igbo/Hausa/Swahili in the larger scheme of things means almost nothing on the world scene. NOTHING

But should we somehow emerge from the hole we have dug ourselves,Microsoft is laying the grounds for a captive market and yoou feel it is a cause for joy and a thing of pride?
In other words, we keep ourselves subjugated by indulging in self flattery through a false sense of pride.Let nobody be , flattered or lured to sleep .It is up to us to work to make ourselves count and the real way to do this is by starting from the ground , not rejoicing over nothing something and not.



As for ..>>Take a second and deeper (since you are one of deepthought) look at your 5 things that you want Microsoft to do:
<<
Those are rethorics which I know will not be done.I suggested these to expose the lies behind the donations.
Why should I thank anyone for raping me, infecting me with AIDS and then treating me for Malaria???

I am not opposed to true Altruism and I will accept this if offered.Unfortunately, this doesn't happen very often.If true altruism were to be practiced by this company as they will have us believe, then let them do these things. But of course they won't.

There is a lot of hypocricy passing for altrism. As a matter pf fact I "innocently" made some of these same suggestions to the Gates foundation.:lol

Good day