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  1. Jun 18, 2012 ,  08:16 PM #1
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    http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/06/m...homosexuality/

    YOLA: A 60 year old man alleged to be a homosexual was lynched by angry mob in Yelwa Ward in Yola.

    The 60 year old man was suspected to have subjected a 20 year old boy to indecent acts for years, which has left him with a strange sickness.

    The deceased identified as Hassan Buba, a resident of Yelwa Ward in Yola North Local Government, according to sources, admitted of having canal knowledge of his victim for over four years.

    Eyewitness account disclosed to Vanguard in Yola that the Late Hassan Buba met his untimely death when his victim confessed to his parents that his unending ailment was as a result sexual encounter with the old man.

    It was at this junction that the deceased was invited to the victim's family house where he admitted to having long standing sexual relationship with the boy.

    The deceased equally confessed to using supernatural means to lure the boy into the act and to prevent him from exposing the act.

    Piqued by the shocking revelations, the father of the boy identified as Shuaibu alongside irate youths pounced on the confessed homosexual.

    He was beaten to a state of coma and abandoned by the roadside close to where the incident happened.

    Police from the Jimeta Division headquarter took the suspect homosexual to the Yola Specialist Hospital where he died before medical attention was administered on him.

    Adamawa State police Command Spokesman Nemuel Yoila (ASP) confirmed the incident, but, he however disclosed that the matter has not yet been officially reported to the headquarters from the Divisional Headquarters.

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    Naija na funny place
    I won't be surprised if nobody arrests or prosecutes the murderers, because they killed an alleged homosexual.

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    I assure you, ladies and gentlemen,

    That those who lynched that homosexual man,

    Would sleep much easier tonight - and henceforth..

    Enjoy harder erections in their dealings with their spouses.
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    If a 60 yr old man admitted to using juju means to lure a 16 yr old girl whom he had sexual knowledge of for 4 years and allegedly gave her a strange illness,he may also meet the same fate.
    I have no tears for him
    He brought the punishment on himself by his actions.The people got angry and dealt with him
    I don't blame them
    If the boy was my child,I would be glad the eediot was dealt with
    He was beaten
    They beat him to teach him a well deserved lesson and if he died,oh well,a teenager or younger kid has just been saved from a sexual predator.
    I don't think anyone here expected the family of the young man to give the dirty old man a peck on his cheeks
    Who knows how many victims,boys and girls are suffering in silence on account of his evil ways
    The irate youths that beat shege outta him may have included some victims.
    Who could blame them


    The deceased equally confessed to using supernatural means to lure the boy into the act and to prevent him from exposing the act.

    Piqued by the shocking revelations, the father of the boy identified as Shuaibu alongside irate youths pounced on the confessed homosexual.

    He was beaten to a state of coma and abandoned by the roadside close to where the incident happened.

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    The title of the thread says it all.

    Man lynched for alleged homosexuality.

    Not pedophilia

    Not rape.

    Not for using diabolical means or native medicine to lure a 16 year old and using him as a sex slave for 4 years and supposedly giving the victim an illness.

    Nope

    He was lynched for alleged homosexuality-the title says.

    But whatever the case was, lynching is unjustified. In civil societies due process of the law is followed.

    Let us try and emulate that

    He is supposed to be charged, then he pleads his case, then if it goes to trial the defense and plaintiff battle it out, then truth and reason prevails and then the accused is convicted or acquitted.

    But no, not in that Banana Republic called Naija.

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    Since when did the title of a thread outweigh the contents?
    Read the stoRy again and follow the chronology

    A 20 yr old came down with a strange illness
    He told his folks what has been happening to him
    The man was called
    He confessed to using juju to lure the boy to his acts since he was z16
    The father became irate
    So did the youths
    They pounced on the man and beat him to a pulp

    The story was not alleged
    We read the confession of the man too
    That is enough to cause anger
    And we know that sexual predators have many victims
    I have no sympathy for child molesters homo or heterosexual
    He brought this on himself
    IMHO

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    The title of the thread is also the title of the article. There must be a reason why it is titled that way, don't you think?

    Mindset.

    Obviously, it is a bigger crime to be a homo than all those other things I listed above, abi?

    I don't even know what to say to you thinking any human being deserves to be lynched.

    Have you heard of false confessions?

    Let him have his day in court. Everybody deserves that at the very least.

    Simple.

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    For sale,that informs the title
    Just like my threads lol
    U need a title that will attract folks
    Some crime are called crime of passion,this would fit in there
    The boy needs to be tested for AIDS
    That may be the strange illness this eediot gave him
    If so,I am glad they lynched his behind to save other innocent kids that maybe victims
    The bigger crime is the sexual predatory nature
    Many parents would react the same exact way especially since we know the law is useless in NIgeria
    Get people to teach him a lesson
    That is why Families of victims in the west have also shot and killed perpetrators,some in court
    None of us can say what we will do if our kid was molested
    It is easier to say wthe politically correct stuff when we are not the ones involved

    I will always be or err on a victims side not the side of the predator
    It is a safer place to be
    No matter this eediot's sexual orientation,my response would be unchanged

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    But for an absence of the rule of law and those intent on forcing an acceptance of western style homosexuality on us, perhaps this man would not have been lynched but been medically treated and therefore alive today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First-lady View Post
    For sale,that informs the title
    Just like my threads lol
    U need a title that will attract folks
    Some crime are called crime of passion,this would fit in there
    The boy needs to be tested for AIDS
    That may be the strange illness this eediot gave him
    If so,I am glad they lynched his behind to save other innocent kids that maybe victims
    The bigger crime is the sexual predatory nature
    Many parents would react the same exact way especially since we know the law is useless in NIgeria
    Get people to teach him a lesson
    That is why Families of victims in the west have also shot and killed perpetrators,some in court
    None of us can say what we will do if our kid was molested
    It is easier to say wthe politically correct stuff when we are not the ones involved

    I will always be or err on a victims side not the side of the predator
    It is a safer place to be
    No matter this eediot's sexual orientation,my response would be unchanged
    It baffles me and boggles my mind that anybody will favor lynching over following due process of the law in any situation. Even in Texas where we still have death penalty, people are convicted first.

    That anybody will not see anything wrong with this mob action even considering the supposed crime perpetrated on the victim, is quite disturbing; let us even remove the fact that people even under police custody have been known to give false confessions when pressured and even voluntarily, sometimes. We bitch and moan that Nigeria is a lawless land but when there is an opportunity for the law to be used, we applaud backward animal-like behavior and create all sorts of justifications for it.

    The problem I have with this story and the problem you should have too if you are truly concerned about the state of affairs in Nigeria is...where does it end when people decide to take the law into their own hands? From an innocent person walking on the street that may have people with a vendetta just walk up to him and shout ''thief!'' to stealing a stick of gum to murders and rapists, nobody is safe when we encourage such gruesome acts of violence in our society and justify it with comments such as ''he deserved it IMHO''. Nobody deserves it. Nobody.

    I really want to see how it was proven that the ''strange illness'' was brought about by the alleged victimization of the young man. The article did not even say what the ''illness'' is or how they came about to associate the illness with the supposed crime. We should be more circumspect in these things and let fact speak for itself by allowing a proper investigation instead of giving to emotionalism and probably a heightened sensitivity because the accused is a homosexual.

    If what I ever write is politically correct stuff, it is not just to appear as politically correct to readers. Seriously, You better believe that. It is only because deep down inside of me, that is my real take on the issue and not even as a result of my upbringing or as a result of the environment I live in because if I was concerned about political correctness at all, these pages would not be a place where I would take my stand on such issues. As a matter of fact I'd be more popular if I decided to follow the majority that would think it is fair that the guy got lynched but no, it is wrong in my eyes.

    Also and not on this particular subject but not off-point entirely, the same way you think it is easy to say politically correct stuff is the same way I think it is easy for you to say ''religiously correct'' (copyrighted) stuff in a favorable environment such as this where intolerance reigns supreme (I am reminded of another comment you made regarding my stand on homosexuality that I'd sing a different tune if a family member decides to do a sex change etc...).

    BUT who is to know what any fire-brand Christian would really do if Ulomma came home with Iyabo with two adopted kids from Cambodia and said, ''Mom, Dad...this is my family"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anwulika View Post
    It baffles me and boggles my mind that anybody will favor lynching over following due process of the law in any situation. Even in Texas where we still have death penalty, people are convicted first.
    BUT who is to know what any fire-brand Christian would really do if Ulomma came home with Iyabo with two adopted kids from Cambodia and said, ''Mom, Dad...this is my family"?
    Anwulika,

    They will lynch Iyabo and sell the two kids to appease their Boko Haram Jehovah.

    To understand the wicked mind of these Born-Again Christians when next you are in Nigeria, try and visit the home of a card carrying Christian and observe the way they lynch their housemaid or houseboy.

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    BC sharap!!
    See How you're watering down the conversation with your anti born again comments
    Is anybody stopping u from bowing to our graven images?
    Nonsense

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    Quote Originally Posted by First-lady View Post
    BC sharap!!
    FL,

    Stop insulting me we are not mate, I have put several of your type into family way........

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    Quote Originally Posted by anwulika View Post
    It baffles me and boggles my mind that anybody will favor lynching over following due process of the law in any situation. Even in Texas where we still have death penalty, people are convicted first.

    That anybody will not see anything wrong with this mob action even considering the supposed crime perpetrated on the victim, is quite disturbing; let us even remove the fact that people even under police custody have been known to give false confessions when pressured and even voluntarily, sometimes. We bitch and moan that Nigeria is a lawless land but when there is an opportunity for the law to be used, we applaud backward animal-like behavior and create all sorts of justifications for it.

    The problem I have with this story and the problem you should have too if you are truly concerned about the state of affairs in Nigeria is...where does it end when people decide to take the law into their own hands? From an innocent person walking on the street that may have people with a vendetta just walk up to him and shout ''thief!'' to stealing a stick of gum to murders and rapists, nobody is safe when we encourage such gruesome acts of violence in our society and justify it with comments such as ''he deserved it IMHO''. Nobody deserves it. Nobody.

    I really want to see how it was proven that the ''strange illness'' was brought about by the alleged victimization of the young man. The article did not even say what the ''illness'' is or how they came about to associate the illness with the supposed crime. We should be more circumspect in these things and let fact speak for itself by allowing a proper investigation instead of giving to emotionalism and probably a heightened sensitivity because the accused is a homosexual.

    If what I ever write is politically correct stuff, it is not just to appear as politically correct to readers. Seriously, You better believe that. It is only because deep down inside of me, that is my real take on the issue and not even as a result of my upbringing or as a result of the environment I live in because if I was concerned about political correctness at all, these pages would not be a place where I would take my stand on such issues. As a matter of fact I'd be more popular if I decided to follow the majority that would think it is fair that the guy got lynched but no, it is wrong in my eyes.

    Also and not on this particular subject but not off-point entirely, the same way you think it is easy to say politically correct stuff is the same way I think it is easy for you to say ''religiously correct'' (copyrighted) stuff in a favorable environment such as this where intolerance reigns supreme (I am reminded of another comment you made regarding my stand on homosexuality that I'd sing a different tune if a family member decides to do a sex change etc...).

    BUT who is to know what any fire-brand Christian would really do if Ulomma came home with Iyabo with two adopted kids from Cambodia and said, ''Mom, Dad...this is my family"?

    I do not have a blanket opinion on stuff,never have
    I don't even have a set response for similar topics around a common subject
    My responses and opinions are always specific to the particular story at hand
    So you have adjudged me incorrectly by most of what you wrote,not that it matters to me frankly speaking.
    If a similar topic came up and people took the law into their hands,I might be the first to condemn them depending on the contents or details of the story.
    Whereas I would condemn say kidnapping but I read that Atiku or IBB was kidnapped,I would say yes!,suits them right.
    Does that make kidnapping right ,do I think kidnapping is righ?,We all know the answer to that question.
    For the avoidance of doubt,I would not shed a tear in the death of a child molester no matter how it comes
    Never!
    If the law fails to get Him, let the people who can, help out the law,that's my natural man speaking
    There are 2 groups of criminals I have absolutely no sympathy for
    They are child molesters and rapists and I believe all my posts here pretty much say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Carson View Post
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    Stop insulting me we are not mate, I have put several of your type into family way........
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    Anwulika,

    I am quite amazed at the lucidity of your contribution here. Nonetheless, here is a contribution from the same State of TEXAS that contradicts your stand.


    Father Who Killed Daughter's Alleged Molester Won't Face Charges In Lavaca County, Texas
    By PAUL J. WEBER and RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI 06/19/12 08:20 PM ET AP
    Father Kills Molester

    This June 16, 2012, photo shows a building near Shiner, Texas, where authorities say a Texas father beat to death with his fists a man molesting his 5-year-old daughter on June 9. A Lavaca County grand jury on Tuesday, June 19 declined to indict the father in the death of 47-year-old Jesus Mora Flores. Emergency crews found Flores’ pants and underwear pulled down on his lifeless body when they responded to the 911 call. (AP Photo/Victoria Advocate, Carolina Astrain)

    SHINER, Texas — Hearing his 5-year-old daughter crying from behind a barn, a father ran and discovered the unthinkable: A man molesting her. The father pulled the man off his daughter, authorities say, and started pummeling him to death with his fists.

    With his daughter finally safe, the father frantically called 911, begging a dispatcher to find his rural ranch and send an ambulance.
    "Come on! This guy is going to die on me!" the man is heard screaming on the recording, which authorities played during a news conference Tuesday where they announced that the father would not face charges. "I don't know what to do!"

    In declining to indict the 23-year-old father in the June 9 killing of Jesus Mora Flores, a Lavaca County grand jury reached the same conclusion as investigators and many of the father's neighbors: He was authorized to use deadly force to protect his daughter.
    "It's sad a man had to die," said Michael James Veit, 48, who lives across the street from where the attack happened in this small community run on ranching and the Shiner beer brewery. "But I think anybody would have done that."

    The family ranch is so remote that on the 911 tape, the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. At one point, he tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital.
    "He's going to die!" the father screams, swearing at the dispatcher. "He's going to f------ die!"

    The tense, nearly five-minute call begins with the father saying he "beat up" a man found raping his daughter. The father grows increasingly frazzled, shouting into the phone so loudly at times that the call often becomes inaudible.

    The Associated Press is not identifying the father in order to protect the daughter's identity. The AP generally does not identify victims of sexual assault.

    "He's a peaceable soul," V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, told reporters at the Lavaca County Courthouse. "He had no intention to kill anybody that day."

    The attack happened on the family's ranch off a quiet, two-lane county road between the farming towns of Shiner and Yoakum. Authorities say a witness who saw Flores "forcibly carrying" the girl into a secluded area scrambled to find the father. Running toward his daughter's screams, the father pulled Flores off his child and "inflicted several blows to the man's head and neck area," investigators said.

    Emergency crews responding to the father's 911 call found Flores' pants and underwear pulled down on his lifeless body. The girl was examined at a hospital, and authorities say forensic evidence and witness accounts corroborated the father's story that his daughter was being sexually molested.

    The father was never arrested, but the killing was investigated as a homicide.
    Philip Hilder, a Houston criminal defense attorney and former federal prosecutor, said he would have been surprised if the grand jury had decided to indict the father. Hilder said Texas law provides several justifications for the use of deadly force, including if someone commits a sexual assault.

    "The grand jury was not about to indict this father for protecting his daughter," he said.

    Authorities said the family had hired Flores before to help with horses on the ranch. He was not born in the U.S. but was here legally with a green card. Attempts to locate Flores' relatives through public records were unsuccessful.

    On Tuesday, a new "No Trespassing" sign was freshly tacked onto a gate barring entrance down a gravelly, shrub-canopied path leading to the barn and chicken coop on the ranch, which belonged to the father's dad.

    At the father's house, the front yard could pass for a children's playground: blue pinwheels sunk into patchy grass, an above-ground swimming pool, a swing set, a trampoline and a couple of ropes dangling from a tree for swinging. A partial privacy fence is painted powder blue.

    No one answered at the father's home. A few miles away, at a home listed as belonging to the father's sister, a woman shouted through the front door that the family had nothing to say. Huser, the father's attorney, told reporters that neither the father nor anyone else in the family would ever give interviews and asked that they be left alone.

    Veit, who lives across the street from the ranch, described the father as easygoing and polite - down to always first asking permission to search Veit's property for animals that had wandered off the ranch, even though the families have long known each other.
    Veit's son was a classmate of the father's at Shiner High School in a graduating class of about two dozen. Veit, 48, said the young father was never known to be in trouble.
    "Just like a regular kid, went to dances, drank beer like the rest of the kids around here," Veit said.
    Shiner, a town of about 2,000 people about 80 miles east of San Antonio, revolves around the Spoetzl Brewery that makes Shiner, one of the nation's best-selling independent beers. Even gas stations here sell it on tap.
    Flores' death is only the sixth homicide the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office has investigated in the last eight years. Shiner residents boast their squeaky-clean image on a highway welcome sign: "The Cleanest Little City in Texas."
    At Werner's Restaurant, customer Gail Allen said she didn't want to speak for the whole town, though her comments echoed what others said.
    "The father has gone through enough," said Allen, 59, who has nine grandchildren. "The little girl is going to be traumatized for life, and the father, too, for what happened. He was protecting his family. Any parent would do that."
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    Thanks count1 for the story above.there are many more like it.
    What would sound unnatural is for this man to just pick up the phone and allow the law take it's course because lynching is supposedly barbaric.
    Had the victim been a boy and the father decided to even add to the beating,a couple of bullet holes right in his blokoss for good measure,I will say ride on sir
    That is how his Spirit moved him to tackle the issue at hand
    This is an understandable lynching and I approve it 100% and so does the great state of Texas,that doesn't make lynching legal
    Thank God his actions were judged on it's merits not by how evil or saintly lynching is
    The dead man brought it upon himself just like the one in our story
    One more scum off the streets and neighborhood
    Safer neighborhood for our children

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    Most likely (and this point has not yet been considered), the young man in question was drawn to the older male not because of juju, but because the older man (contrary to the phobic attitudes of his parents) validated his feelings towards other men. We don't know whether the older man knowingly exposed the younger man to HIV or other transmissable illnesses. That may have even been the other way around. Because of ignorence, even many married men expose their wives to these, either by having more than one wife, or through them having a series of "lovers".

    In any case, To wrong a wrong is wrong. Two wrongs never make a right; All people are created equal members of the one human family, both male and female, hetero and homo, black and white.

    Reasonable people understand that "It's right to right a wrong, but it's wrong to wrong a right", just as we know intuitively that "To right a wrong is right, but to wrong a right is wrong". Those who follow God's Principal Rule promoted as "paramount" by Jesus Himself will always stand up for the victim of mob violence.

    Left to our own devices, if we live in a community which abides by the "Golden Rule" (which is supposedly revered by all religions in all its forms), then we don't need to engage other fallible people (especially "religious police", aided and abetted by "unheroic mobs") to mind what is "our own" business, and which establishment uses an ungodly custom grown strong and enforced as "a law"....

    Lynch mobs are hardly heroic. In fact, the opposite is the case. Running with the majority mob is what beggars us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count1 View Post
    Anwulika,

    I am quite amazed at the lucidity of your contribution here. Nonetheless, here is a contribution from the same State of TEXAS that contradicts your stand.
    Lynch mob action is a crime of passion?

    Please, let us not compare apples with oranges.

    Crime of passion claim is for the directly aggrieved party i.e parent, spouse and it is not premeditated.

    The FATHER CAUGHT the molester in the act in your article AND he was also the lone assailant.

    See the difference?

    Give me a comparable example where people who participated in a lynch mob
    were allowed to walk.

    I am afraid your post is IRRELEVANT to the issue.

    Thanks.

    PS- Oh! and let's not forget that even in crime of passion cases (aka temporary insanity), the assailant WILL still face charges in the great state of Texas where the jury might very well convict on murder charges, which could include capital punishment if certain vital elements are not proven or acquit on some or all charges (extremely rare) like in your posted article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First-lady View Post
    Thanks count1 for the story above.there are many more like it.
    What would sound unnatural is for this man to just pick up the phone and allow the law take it's course because lynching is supposedly barbaric.
    Had the victim been a boy and the father decided to even add to the beating,a couple of bullet holes right in his blokoss for good measure,I will say ride on sir
    That is how his Spirit moved him to tackle the issue at hand
    This is an understandable lynching and I approve it 100% and so does the great state of Texas,that doesn't make lynching legal
    Thank God his actions were judged on it's merits not by how evil or saintly lynching is
    The dead man brought it upon himself just like the one in our story
    One more scum off the streets and neighborhood
    Safer neighborhood for our children
    See post above

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    Quote Originally Posted by First-lady View Post
    I do not have a blanket opinion on stuff,never have
    I don't even have a set response for similar topics around a common subject
    My responses and opinions are always specific to the particular story at hand
    So you have adjudged me incorrectly by most of what you wrote,not that it matters to me frankly speaking.
    If a similar topic came up and people took the law into their hands,I might be the first to condemn them depending on the contents or details of the story.
    Whereas I would condemn say kidnapping but I read that Atiku or IBB was kidnapped,I would say yes!,suits them right.
    Does that make kidnapping right ,do I think kidnapping is righ?,We all know the answer to that question.
    For the avoidance of doubt,I would not shed a tear in the death of a child molester no matter how it comes
    Never!
    If the law fails to get Him, let the people who can, help out the law,that's my natural man speaking
    There are 2 groups of criminals I have absolutely no sympathy for
    They are child molesters and rapists and I believe all my posts here pretty much say so
    So, in other words lynch mob action is wrong but OK sometimes if the person is say...for instance, an accused homosexual child molester and not a purse thief?

    Gotcha.

    Quick question, would you like to see any of the lynchers prosecuted? even though in your opinion they did human-kind a favor but in the same token, OBVIOUSLY they cannot claim crime of passion?

    Or did they do nothing wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anwulika View Post
    Lynch mob action is a crime of passion?

    Please, let us not compare apples with oranges.

    Crime of passion claim is for the directly aggrieved party i.e parent, spouse and it is not premeditated.

    The FATHER CAUGHT the molester in the act in your article AND he was also the lone assailant.

    See the difference?

    Give me a comparable example where a people who participated in a lynch mob
    were allowed to walk.

    I am afraid your post is IRRELEVANT to the issue.

    Thanks.

    PS- Oh! and let's not forget that even in crime of passion cases (aka temporary insanity), the assailant WILL still face charges in the great state of Texas where the jury might very well convict on murder charges, which could include capital punishment if certain vital elements are not proven or acquit on some or all charges (extremely rare) like in your posted article.

    Anwulika,

    nice response but not unassailable. I am not a lawyer, but have lived with the Law long enough to assimilate some Principles and precepts. Also, Nigeria does not use juries and therefore, the verdict is delivered by one man using the Precedents and tenets of Law available to him. Since this is not a matter under International Jurisdiction, it is the Law of the Land that holds sway. In this case, it is Northern nigeria.In Northern Nigeria which is the venue of this act, it is the Penal Code that holds sway. The Penal Code is a a body of Laws based on the Sharia application in Civil Procedure. More recently, 12 Northern States have applied the Full Sharia Law which equally governs Criminal cases such as this. What I am positing here is that the Law as is conceived applied and administered in the US may be radically different from our Laws with particular focus on what consists of a "Crime of Passion".

    Please see reference for greater elucidation on why your argument can be faulted. In Yobe, Northern Nigeria, a parent, believeing his son to have been corrupted under the influence of witchcraft could equally claim a criome of passion in attacking and destroying the Mage who holds his son captive in a bid to release him. Was it a mob action or were the sympathizers moved by the grief and passion of the father to lend a hand in the "exorcism? See paper here THE DELIMITATION OF CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY IN CULTURE BASED CRIMES IN NIGERIA: EVOLVING A NEW THEORY OF BLAME - Muhtar E. Etudaiye

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    I can already point out a few misconceptions on my stance from your post but will rather wait till I read the piece you provided to reply in full. I can't open the link. Pls repost.

    PS: Googled it and found it.

    http://www.etudaiyeandco.com/publica...in_nigeria.pdf

    23 pages? Are you serious? You want me to read 23 pages like I don't have work to do?

    You might have to summarize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count1 View Post
    Anwulika,

    nice response but not unassailable. I am not a lawyer, but have lived with the Law long enough to assimilate some Principles and precepts. Also, Nigeria does not use juries and therefore, the verdict is delivered by one man using the Precedents and tenets of Law available to him. Since this is not a matter under International Jurisdiction, it is the Law of the Land that holds sway. In this case, it is Northern nigeria.In Northern Nigeria which is the venue of this act, it is the Penal Code that holds sway. The Penal Code is a a body of Laws based on the Sharia application in Civil Procedure. More recently, 12 Northern States have applied the Full Sharia Law which equally governs Criminal cases such as this. What I am positing here is that the Law as is conceived applied and administered in the US may be radically different from our Laws with particular focus on what consists of a "Crime of Passion".

    Please see reference for greater elucidation on why your argument can be faulted. In Yobe, Northern Nigeria, a parent, believeing his son to have been corrupted under the influence of witchcraft could equally claim a criome of passion in attacking and destroying the Mage who holds his son captive in a bid to release him. Was it a mob action or were the sympathizers moved by the grief and passion of the father to lend a hand in the "exorcism? See paper here THE DELIMITATION OF CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY IN CULTURE BASED CRIMES IN NIGERIA: EVOLVING A NEW THEORY OF BLAME - Muhtar E. Etudaiye
    OK. So I quickly skimmed through 23 pages of the document and I could not find where this case which you have mentioned above was noted. There was no particular mention of a scenario where sympathizers lent a hand in attacking and destroying the mage or maybe I missed it or do not have the full document pls post the excerpt of that case if you do.

    Was it a landmark case involving mob action prosecution or were you thinking up a scenario of if the bystanders helped the parent attack and destroy, what would it be considered as?

    I'd really like to for us to keep things in perspective by showing a clearly stated and verifiable legal opinion or ruling on a real case that involved mob lynching and this article provided none of that from what I read.

    Yes, a parent could claim crime of passion in the scenario (or is it a case?) you posited in your comment and even in this case under discourse, witchcraft, as vague, unrealistic and as nonsensical as I think any belief in 'witchcraft' is, I do recognize that there is an allowance in the law for the belief in this absurdity under 'cultural defence' even though as posited also in your excerpt, this defense is nothing but hogwash:

    EXCERPT:

    In Nigeria, the reasonable man31 concept bears a diametric familiarity with what has
    come to be known as the "cultural defence" elsewhere. Chukkol32 elucidates on the
    reasonable man concept in Nigeria and asks whether it is in fact a fact of Northern
    Nigerian criminal law. He concludes that it is not but a vestige of colonial adulteration.
    I am comforted with the fact in this case with the lynched accused, that 'juju' was not the only thing he would have been charged with had the case gone to court so people will not have to only listen to nonsense.

    BUT as interesting as the read was, this still leaves the question of crime of passion and culpability open in regards to mob lynching cases.

    So, in summary, we are still where we were on page one.

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    Guard mobbed for molesting toddler
    The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Mon, 04/09/2007 3:07 PM | Jakarta
    JAKARTA: A discotheque security guard was mobbed by neighbors before being sent to Cilincing Police sub-precinct for allegedly molesting a four-year-old girl at his house on Friday night.
    Police sub-precinct chief Comr. Yossy Runtukahu confirmed the mobbing and said his detectives were currently interrogating the suspect, identified as Suhanda but also known as Pak Bengkok.
    Yossy said Suhanda confessed to having touched the girl, three boys and a mentally retarded man in separate incidents.
    The Friday night mobbing occurred after the girl told her father, Jaidi, that she was experiencing pain in her genital region.
    The parents then brought their child to a nearby clinic, where examinations showed she had sustained bruising to her vital organ.
    Angered by the indecent, Jaidi, with the aid of his neighbors, confronted Suhanda and severely beat him.

    Police said they would charge Suhanda for violating an article in the Criminal Code on the molestation of minors, as well as a law on the protection of children's rights. Both carry a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison. --JP

    Gbam,
    After that the law picks up the molester since this one survived his beating
    No sympathy lai lai for molesters despite your sexual orientation

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    Quote Originally Posted by anwulika View Post
    OK. So I quickly skimmed through 23 pages of the document and I could not find where this case which you have mentioned above was noted. There was no particular mention of a scenario where sympathizers lent a hand in attacking and destroying the mage or maybe I missed it or do not have the full document pls post the excerpt of that case if you do.

    Was it a landmark case involving mob action prosecution or were you thinking up a scenario of if the bystanders helped the parent attack and destroy, what would it be considered as?

    I'd really like to for us to keep things in perspective by showing a clearly stated and verifiable legal opinion or ruling on a real case that involved mob lynching and this article provided none of that from what I read.

    Yes, a parent could claim crime of passion in the scenario (or is it a case?) you posited in your comment and even in this case under discourse, witchcraft, as vague, unrealistic and as nonsensical as I think any belief in 'witchcraft' is, I do recognize that there is an allowance in the law for the belief in this absurdity under 'cultural defence' even though as posited also in your excerpt, this defense is nothing but hogwash:

    EXCERPT:



    I am comforted with the fact in this case with the lynched accused, that 'juju' was not the only thing he would have been charged with had the case gone to court so people will not have to only listen to nonsense.

    BUT as interesting as the read was, this still leaves the question of crime of passion and culpability open in regards to mob lynching cases.

    So, in summary, we are still where we were on page one.

    Anwuli,

    Most fair thinking folks will see the giant holes in your argument because it emanates from a dangerous preconception.
    You read that story above,a woman and perhaps a mother and all you could do was come down in defense of his killing because according to you,this is one more crime on your beloved group.
    You fail to see the heinous nature of his actions
    You have no thoughts whatsoever for a young man shamed,diseased and ruined after years of continued rape and torture in the hands of a monster
    No concern for the pains of his family
    the only thing that stands out to you is his homosexuality
    That is very very very very scary
    In your bid to be politically correct,I am afraid you are losing the fundamental principles of how humans must act.
    Protection of children should be very high on that list and the killing of a confessed serial child molester irrespective of his sexual orientation should not cause anybody sleepless nights.
    Go back and read the story again and if your still fail to understand why the monster's actions may anger people around him the I have nothing more to say other that it served him right.

    BTW BC is not fair thinking
    He wants to give married women belle so his own dey one kain

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    Quote Originally Posted by anwulika View Post
    It baffles me and boggles my mind that anybody will favor lynching over following due process of the law in any situation. Even in Texas where we still have death penalty, people are convicted first.

    That anybody will not see anything wrong with this mob action even considering the supposed crime perpetrated on the victim, is quite disturbing; let us even remove the fact that people even under police custody have been known to give false confessions when pressured and even voluntarily, sometimes. We bitch and moan that Nigeria is a lawless land but when there is an opportunity for the law to be used, we applaud backward animal-like behavior and create all sorts of justifications for it.

    The problem I have with this story and the problem you should have too if you are truly concerned about the state of affairs in Nigeria is...where does it end when people decide to take the law into their own hands? From an innocent person walking on the street that may have people with a vendetta just walk up to him and shout ''thief!'' to stealing a stick of gum to murders and rapists, nobody is safe when we encourage such gruesome acts of violence in our society and justify it with comments such as ''he deserved it IMHO''. Nobody deserves it. Nobody.

    I really want to see how it was proven that the ''strange illness'' was brought about by the alleged victimization of the young man. The article did not even say what the ''illness'' is or how they came about to associate the illness with the supposed crime. We should be more circumspect in these things and let fact speak for itself by allowing a proper investigation instead of giving to emotionalism and probably a heightened sensitivity because the accused is a homosexual.

    If what I ever write is politically correct stuff, it is not just to appear as politically correct to readers. Seriously, You better believe that. It is only because deep down inside of me, that is my real take on the issue and not even as a result of my upbringing or as a result of the environment I live in because if I was concerned about political correctness at all, these pages would not be a place where I would take my stand on such issues. As a matter of fact I'd be more popular if I decided to follow the majority that would think it is fair that the guy got lynched but no, it is wrong in my eyes.

    Also and not on this particular subject but not off-point entirely, the same way you think it is easy to say politically correct stuff is the same way I think it is easy for you to say ''religiously correct'' (copyrighted) stuff in a favorable environment such as this where intolerance reigns supreme (I am reminded of another comment you made regarding my stand on homosexuality that I'd sing a different tune if a family member decides to do a sex change etc...).

    BUT who is to know what any fire-brand Christian would really do if Ulomma came home with Iyabo with two adopted kids from Cambodia and said, ''Mom, Dad...this is my family"?
    Lady, biko..'take heart', as we say.

    I feel you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First-lady View Post
    Gbam,
    After that the law picks up the molester since this one survived his beating
    No sympathy lai lai for molesters despite your sexual orientation
    LOL

    Jakarta, India is your standard, FL? What they did, in sane, climes is illegal. Shey you know?

    I am not diminishing the crime by the mob but key differences here

    1. The molester did not die (still a crime though and they should be charged with attempted murder)

    2. And at least the Indians displayed higher intelligence to get some sort of evidence first before attacking.

    Nawa......

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    Quote Originally Posted by First-lady View Post
    Anwuli,

    Most fair thinking folks will see the giant holes in your argument because it emanates from a dangerous preconception.
    You read that story above,a woman and perhaps a mother and all you could do was come down in defense of his killing because according to you,this is one more crime on your beloved group.
    You fail to see the heinous nature of his actions
    You have no thoughts whatsoever for a young man shamed,diseased and ruined after years of continued rape and torture in the hands of a monster
    No concern for the pains of his family

    the only thing that stands out to you is his homosexuality
    That is very very very very scary
    In your bid to be politically correct,I am afraid you are losing the fundamental principles of how humans must act.
    Protection of children should be very high on that list and the killing of a confessed serial child molester irrespective of his sexual orientation should not cause anybody sleepless nights.
    Go back and read the story again and if your still fail to understand why the monster's actions may anger people around him the I have nothing more to say other that it served him right.

    BTW BC is not fair thinking
    He wants to give married women belle so his own dey one kain
    This is dangerous thinking.
    Not everybody holds up under pressure like this man could have been under, as he is being threatened by the mob.
    How do we know his so called victim is telling the truth.....People tell lies.
    whenever there is a major crime, do you know how many innocent people phone in to confess to it?
    Do you know making false confessions is one of the symptoms of OCD, and some people with OCD talk, walk, work, like regular folks.
    infact we have a serving MP here with OCD.

    Accusing people falsely is not uncommon in our society...think of all the people accused of making other men's manhood disappear, or making a woman's pregnancy disappear, or people who have been accused of causing another person badluck with witchcraft, or using juju to snatch another person's husband...(don't laugh, I've heard that from people before)...or even cases where folks said they stepped across a stick and became paralysed, or opened a letter and went blind, etc.

    My point is...only a court of law should handle these things. The alternative is the anarchy that bedevils us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First-lady View Post
    Anwuli,

    Most fair thinking folks will see the giant holes in your argument because it emanates from a dangerous preconception.
    You read that story above,a woman and perhaps a mother and all you could do was come down in defense of his killing because according to you,this is one more crime on your beloved group.
    You fail to see the heinous nature of his actions
    You have no thoughts whatsoever for a young man shamed,diseased and ruined after years of continued rape and torture in the hands of a monster
    No concern for the pains of his family
    the only thing that stands out to you is his homosexuality
    That is very very very very scary
    In your bid to be politically correct,I am afraid you are losing the fundamental principles of how humans must act.
    Protection of children should be very high on that list and the killing of a confessed serial child molester irrespective of his sexual orientation should not cause anybody sleepless nights.
    Go back and read the story again and if your still fail to understand why the monster's actions may anger people around him the I have nothing more to say other that it served him right.

    BTW BC is not fair thinking
    He wants to give married women belle so his own dey one kain
    No, FL and I will make this short.

    At the point of the lynching that there was NO SHRED of evidence that the lynched man was rightfully accused.

    If you read me well, I am not saying he was innocent or that he should get away with molesting a person. I am saying mob lynching is WRONG and perpetrators should not be encouraged or allowed to get away with it.

    You are making assertions in this comment to strike emotional chords in folks but the big problem with your heart rending plea is, no evidence. It would be better if you saved it for the court room.

    What if the man was not guilty of some or all of the charges? Have you thought about that?

    At least; I can tell you one of the things they are accusing him of is nonsense. Juju

    PS: your comment response has nothing to do with what you quoted though. Did you follow the line of the discussion?

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    we all have
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    I don't even find this funny.

    Not one little bit.

    Neither is First-lady's escapist closure. Ugh!
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    This is dangerous thinking..
    Understatement.

    I take solace in the FACT that, much to their chagrin,

    Those who subscribe to such views continue to be in the minority - a toast to progress!
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    oops; somebody already posted the same article here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anwulika View Post
    LOL

    Jakarta, India is your standard, FL? What they did, in sane, climes is illegal. Shey you know?

    I am not diminishing the crime by the mob but key differences here

    1. The molester did not die (still a crime though and they should be charged with attempted murder)

    2. And at least the Indians displayed higher intelligence to get some sort of evidence first before attacking.

    Nawa......
    Ok let me give you an oyibo story since Jarkatans are subhuman

    A suspected child molester in Russia's Far East was released without charge, then almost lynched by an angry crowd. The case is one of many in which people feel the authorities have failed to act on crimes against those who need the most protection.
    Natalia is the mother of an underage victim. She says the thought of avenging her daughter's abuse has been haunting her for months.

    "I even thought of buying a pistol and shooting him myself. I simply don't know how else to protect my family. We live on the ground floor with curtains constantly drawn. I go to work every day sick with fear for my daughter," she says.

    It was hard for Natalia to admit she had trusted someone who harmed her child. She brought the man into the house as a common-law husband to live side by side with them for more than nine years.

    "My daughter told me he threw a stray cat from the roof and said he'd do the same to her if she ever confided in me about the things he was doing to her," she says.

    When Natalia finally managed to get things to the court, the jury acquitted the man, who she says is now after her family, hungry for revenge.

    Natalia's experience is just one example of many.

    In a recent controversial case in the Far Eastern Amur Region, a man suspected of raping a seven-year-old girl was released without charge.

    Only after an enraged crowd nearly lynched the man did police launch a fully-fledged investigation into the case and record a confession. Alexey Zhititsky, the suspect, told police:

    "I pulled off her knickers and she started crying. I squeezed her neck and pressed her into the ground. It only took a couple of minutes. Then I told her to go home and tell no one."

    Authorities have disciplined the original investigating officer and a police officer, while a probe into alleged negligence linked to this case is underway against him and two other officers of the law.

    "The worst that's happened here is the mother was treated like a football. She was kicked around from office to office. A tragedy had happened to her, she didn't know what to do, but no one wanted to even talk to her, let alone accept her statement," says Anatoly Kucherena, a lawyer and member of the Russian Public Chamber, a civic advisory body.

    Russian authorities have long declared a fight against the sexual abuse of minors, but results seem to have been meager, with estimates claiming thousands still fall victim.

    In an attempt to put things right, some activists have started taking matters into their own hands, targeting people they suspect of being sexual predators with online smearing campaigns.

    They go online pretending to be an underage boy or girl and set up meetings with people who admit to preferring minors. Then they film their faces and expose them on the web.

    "We are simply a group of people who decided to fight this evil in our own way because our families live in this city. Our children walk these parks and we don't want them to ever meet those perverts," says Daniil, one of the anti-pedophilia activists.

    The vigilantes believe they act within the law, but many would say they go over the edge.

    Volunteers tracking pedophiles online say most people will sign off when they learn the person they are talking to is underage. But activists say roughly one out of 100 contacts is certain to be looking for easy prey.

    Currently, the maximum sentence for child sex offenses in Russia is 20 years in prison. An amendment to the law is meant to introduce tougher penalties, including life in prison and conditional chemical castration.

    But until the changes are implemented and proven to be effective, the activists say they will continue with their controversial campaign.
    Hehehehehehe
    That is how real people with blood in their veins should treat child molesters and rapists not asking that they be given Tom Tom and Mikky Mikky.
    The law failed them,in Nigeria it does not exist, until it does,let the people handle it themselves if they can

    A British mother who stabbed to death a man she believed had molested her child sexually walked free Friday amid scenes of relief and jubilation in court.

    The 40-year-old woman collapsed in tears as the jury at a court in Leeds, in northern England, found her not guilty of murdering John Lockwood last May over the alleged abuse of her 4-year-old daughter.
    God bless the Queen!
    A scum off the streets
    And the people rejoiced

    How about when the police chief congratulates the citizens for roughening up the child molester in Philly and Saving the streets
    Hehehehehehe
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JklRn...e_gdata_player
    A man described by Philadelphia police as a person of interest in the rape of an 11-year-old girl is in custody after being beaten by an angry mob. The mob beating was captured on a local surveillance camera. THIS is a great example of the community taking their streets back and instilling the fear of God into those who prey on the innocent. Now, if only we could deal with the drug dealers the same way...
    God bless America
    Una do wellu wellu
    No tears for molesters

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    Quote Originally Posted by anwulika View Post
    OK. So I quickly skimmed through 23 pages of the document and I could not find where this case which you have mentioned above was noted. There was no particular mention of a scenario where sympathizers lent a hand in attacking and destroying the mage or maybe I missed it or do not have the full document pls post the excerpt of that case if you do.

    Was it a landmark case involving mob action prosecution or were you thinking up a scenario of if the bystanders helped the parent attack and destroy, what would it be considered as?

    I'd really like to for us to keep things in perspective by showing a clearly stated and verifiable legal opinion or ruling on a real case that involved mob lynching and this article provided none of that from what I read.

    Yes, a parent could claim crime of passion in the scenario (or is it a case?) you posited in your comment and even in this case under discourse, witchcraft, as vague, unrealistic and as nonsensical as I think any belief in 'witchcraft' is, I do recognize that there is an allowance in the law for the belief in this absurdity under 'cultural defence' even though as posited also in your excerpt, this defense is nothing but hogwash:

    EXCERPT:



    I am comforted with the fact in this case with the lynched accused, that 'juju' was not the only thing he would have been charged with had the case gone to court so people will not have to only listen to nonsense.

    BUT as interesting as the read was, this still leaves the question of crime of passion and culpability open in regards to mob lynching cases.

    So, in summary, we are still where we were on page one.

    Anwulika,

    I thank you for taking the trouble to peruse the referenced doc. On this subject, it is very easy to get distracted as is shown in the various exchanges with other villagers after the post I am responding to above. Let me bullet -point the issues, my argument and my conclusion.

    THE SITUATION
    1. A young man in Northern Nigeria, Yola and not Yobe as I mistakenly said, fell ill and on questioning, admitted to having been serially sexually molested by a much older man.
    2. The Older man was invited and confessed to the sexual abuse over a period of four years
    3. The Older man said he coerced the young man with the use of Juju to participate and keep quiet about it.
    4. An enraged father attacked the Molester. He was joined by other sympathizers. There was no premeditation.
    5. The Molester was beaten to a point of coma and left by the roadside
    6. He died several days later in hospital
    7. No one was arrested for the beating.

    MY ARGUMENT
    1. While it is of consequence that homosexuality was involved, molestation of a minor is a crime whatever the sex
    2. Sharia Law is in place in Yobe and permits beating or stoning to death as a Legal punishment
    3. The Boy claimed the man molested him, the man confessed to the molestation and the means he used.
    4. There was no premeditation. The beating was a spontaneous response to the witchcraft and molestation aberration. It was no angry mob that went up in arms to the residence of the Molestr to flush him out and beat him to death in a lynching.
    5. What constitutes a "Crime of Passion" in Texas may not in Yola and vice-versa
    6. Juju, despite anyone's derisive dismissal is a functional and valid element in the belief system of the actors of this scenario.
    7. As a Juju Practitioner and one who claimed to have held their son in his thrall for four years, the Molester was feared by the people who believed even themselves to be in danger of imminent conjuration at his lips.
    8. We can only imagine the arrogance and conjecture at the impetuousness of a man responding to a summons to a meeting with the family of a boy he had molested bragging (?) about his powers.

    [QUOTE]Islam's view on Homosexuality
    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Homosexuality
    Islamic Shari'ah law is extracted from both the Qur'an and hadiths. Islamic jurisprudence are expansion of the laws contained within them by Islamic jurists. Therefore, they are seen as the laws of Allah. You need only look to the rulings under Shari'ah to see the accepted mainstream interpretation of Islam and its commandments to its followers. Homosexuality under this law, is not only a sin, but a punishable crime against God.

    In the case of homosexuality, how it is dealt with differs between the four mainline schools of Sunni jurisprudence today, but what they all agree upon is that homosexuality is worthy of a severe penalty, including death.

    In the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is first punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, the death penalty is to be applied.

    As for the Shafi`i school of thought, the homosexual receives the same punishment as adultery (if he/she is married) or fornication (if not married). This means, that if the homosexual is married, he/she is stoned to death, while if single, he/she is whipped 100 times. Hence, the Shafi`i compares the punishment applied in the case of homosexuality with that of adultery and fornication.

    The Hanafi differentiates between the two acts because in homosexuality, anal sex [something that is prohibited, regardless of orientation] may also be involved, while in adultery [and fornication], the penis/vagina (which are reproductive parts) are involved.

    Some scholars, based on the Qur'an and various ahadith, hold the opinion that the homosexual should be thrown from a high building or stoned to death[1] as a punishment for their 'crime', but other scholars maintain that they should be imprisoned until death. [2]

    Another view is that between two males, the active partner is to be lashed a hundred times if he is unmarried, and killed if he is married; whereas the passive partner is to be killed regardless of his marital status.
    [3] [QUOTE]

    MY CONCLUSION

    1. There is not enough grounds to call the family and sympathizers a "lynch Mob". The Father, likely Family and Community elders as well as younger family members and friends of the accused meted out the punishment they felt he deserved upon provocation.

    2. Secondly, as explicitly stated in the quote above, In Sharia Law, the punishment for homosexuality ranges from extreme beating to death under the various recognised Sects.

    3. In the light of the evidence adduced and the governing Sharia Law and the Legal Principles stated, I put it to you that the man got his just deserts and the Sympathizing family have no case to answer!. I rest my case!

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    Lynching is barbaric and never excusable - simple.

    How do we even know the story they have created (that the man is homosexual) is true? They have killed him already and may be creating the homosexuality story to arouse the pity/anger of the gullible.

    Count1 - the case in Texas is not Lynching, but an aggrieved parent protecting his daughter - and clearly, he didn't mean to kill.

    For emphasis, Lynching is barbaric and never excusable. And it's strange that this is even being debated.

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    Big-K,

    We are intimidated when the Big Kahuna steps into a small fray like this.

    We are all reacting to this story from our individual perception and experience. I have had to mediate in something almost identical to this story and therefore it is not hypothetical for me. Secondly, as I have pointed out, in Sharia Law, Beating and stoning to death is permitted. I vote for the right to Religious worship and Cultural differentiation. We cannot all look at things from a Western point of view.

    In the case of the Man in Texas to which we are all referring, he happened to be alone. Had he had two strappling sons in their early twenties and several other farmhands and they had all rushed to the scene together what do you think would have happened? What would you have said then? Would you have called it a lynching or deserved retribution?

    I have also gone to the trouble of situating my argument in location and a cultural and religious milieu. I still maintain these are mitigating circumstances. put yourself in the Boy's father's shoes. It is a crime of passion given that all materials particular as stated are true.

    And like FL, should we not agree on this issue, I say, let us agree to disagree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count1 View Post

    In the case of the Man in Texas to which we are all referring, he happened to be alone. Had he had two strappling sons in their early twenties and several other farmhands and they had all rushed to the scene together what do you think would have happened? What would you have said then? Would you have called it a lynching or deserved retribution?
    In this hypothetical situation, if the molester was killed, it would have been Lynching, and it would have been barbaric and inexcusable. But that's not what happened.

    What happened in Yola is LYNCHING and its barbaric and inexcusable - no matter the "location, cultural and religious milieu".

    My brother - I pray no one you know is ever a victim of extra-judicial killing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big-K View Post

    My brother - I pray no one you know is ever a victim of extra-judicial killing.
    When you put it that way, I am disarmed. You are right.

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