"Why I loathe feminism..."

[Eja]

Why I loathe feminism... and believe it will ultimately destroy the family

By Erin Pizzey

Erin Pizzey set up the world's first refuge for battered women in 1971 - and went on to establish an international movement for victims of domestic violence. But what she has never made public before is that her own childhood was scarred by the shocking cruelty of both her parents.
Here, for the first time, she tells the full harrowing story - and how it led her to a surprising, but deeply felt, conclusion ...


Though I remember little of my earliest years, I grew up in a world of extraordinary violence. I was born in 1939 in Tsingtao, China, and shortly after my family moved to Shanghai with my diplomat father, we were captured by the invading Japanese army. It was 1942, the war was raging and we were held under house arrest until we were exchanged for Japanese prisoners of war and put on the last boat out of China.

My father was ordered to Beirut by the diplomatic service, and we were left as refugees in Kokstad, South Africa. From living in an enormous house with a fleet of servants and a nanny, my twin sister Rosaleen and I were suddenly at the mercy of my mother Pat's temper. And it was ferocious. Having escaped the brutality of the war, we were introduced to a new brand domestic cruelty.

Indeed, my mother's explosive temper and abusive behaviour shaped the person I later became like no other event in my life.

Thirty years later, when feminism exploded onto the scene, I was often mistaken for a supporter of the movement. But I have never been a feminist, because, having experienced my mother's violence, I always knew that women can be as vicious and irresponsible as men.

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[Auspicious]

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On the contrary, I like FEMINISTS.

Why, you might ask?

Well how about they are PASSIONATE love-makers?

Oooooow, lotsa energy, I tell ya! :drool:

Auspicious.

[agbonizuanghwe]

Before I read that article, I thought I was alone in the opinion that men are being unnecessarily demonised by the modern woman! I grew up knowing my grandfather, my father and my uncles. My brother, some of whom I helped to rause and my sons are certainly NOT bad nor guilty of blanket accusations often levelled against men.

Thank you for sharing the article

[NoLongThing]

For once I am on the same page with Auspy, nothing like an opinionated woman. Hmmm, just does the magic for me.

[Dewdrops]

For once I am on the same page with Auspy, nothing like an opinionated woman. Hmmm, just does the magic for me.

Gbam!



Who wants a dish rag for crying out loud.....

Alias "no idea sir".......even in the bedroom. The ones that still can't keep a man at home with all their 'passitivity'? Or those that have come to learn how to share both their men and their 'tampons' under the same roof spreading diseases to man and cows alike?

Thirty years later, when feminism exploded onto the scene, I was often mistaken for a supporter of the movement. But I have never been a feminist, because, having experienced my mother's violence, I always knew that women can be as vicious and irresponsible as men.

Just wondering what this article has to do with 'feminism'.....another 'hormonal' man on rampage!

No wonder polygamy rules the day.......


Shioooooooooooor!

[HolyPagan]

I suppose like everything it depends on the emotional maturity people bring to whatever cause they are championing.

Some women actually believe that feminism equals being misandrists. And have on some level actually hijacked a good cause.
They therefore mistakenly 'over-correct' to the point of seeing anything Male as oppressive.
Just like some black people believe that its not possible for blacks to be racist. And would make excuses for all manner of racism perpetrated by blacks.

Feminism like most idealogies have extreme positions and centrist positions.

At the end of the day, what matters, is that people should treat each other as equals, and not assumed superiority of males, based on nothing but gender.

[HolyPagan]

".........
Just wondering what this article has to do with 'feminism'.....another 'hormonal' man on ramapage!

No wonder polygamy rules the day.......lol:

Because Erin Pizzey was the person who founded the first battered womens shelter in the UK, in Chiswick ...West London, People assumed that she was persuaded by The Feminist Ideology.
I suppose she wants to correct that impression.

I think the title is misleading.... since Feminism is not about hating men or denigrating men......but about letting women contribute their fair share to their own lives, and to society, without being made out as second class citizens.

Basically I just think she was just pointing out, that both women and men can be just as abusive and cruel in relationships / families, and used the example of her own abusive parents especially her mother to buttress her point.

That headline was just sensationalism.

[Auspicious]

For once I am on the same page with Auspy...

Dude, Talk True:

We are ALWAYS on the same page.

Yesterday. Today. And Tommorow.

Only, to 'Catch a Monkey', you'd rather act like One.

But me, I don't - I just barge-in, 'Catch my Monkey',

Sling the 'Monkey' over my shoulder, and head home - Finito!



Auspicious.

[agbonizuanghwe]

Many women have used concepts touted as feminism to weasel out of taking responsibility for their choices and personal frailties.

Women, being continuously painted as hapless individuals, powerless (in all situations) against menfolk, by bra burning extremists, have become victims at the hands of fellow women.

However in Nigeria, what women have mostly become is collateral damage from applying strange and poorly thought out concepts to their personal lives in the name of feminism. The good thing is they grit their teeth and bear the consequences and then persuade naive friends to their point of view. And the number of bitter crones keep rising while western style feminism rules.

Lesbianism is often an expression of an extreme form of feminism, me thinks. It's just a thought but I could be wrong.

[HolyPagan]

Many women have used concepts touted as feminism to weasel out of taking responsibility for their choices and personal frailties.

Women being continuously painted as hapless individuals, powerless (in all situations) against menfolk, by bra burning extremists have become victims at the hands of fellow women.

However in Nigeria, what women have mostly become is collateral damage from applying strange and poorly thought out concepts to their personal lives in the name of feminism. The good thing is they grit their teeth and bear the consequences and then persuade naive friends to their point of view. And the number of bitter crones keep rising while western style feminism rules.

Lesbianism is often an expression of an extreme form of feminism, me thinks. It's just a thought but I could be wrong.

Ha ha ha ...I am not touching this one

[HolyPagan]

Thank God for Feminism...which has always been about progressive social change.

Today these are now possible for me a woman....

I can own property in my own name
I can have a bank account in my name
I can have any career I choose.
I can expect to be hired for a job I am qualified to do, and not denied employment, because a man who has a family to look after, needs it more.
I can attend any College/ University of my choice.(no university is barred from admitting me if I qualify to be admitted on account of being a woman)
I can continue with my career even after marriage.
I can reasonably expect to progress in my career, if I perform to the standards expected of any person holding that post regardless of gender.
I can vote.
I can apply for an international passport in my name.
I do not need my father, brother, husband or any other male family member. to guarantee my mortgage as a woman.
I do not need any of the above before I can step out of my front door.
I am no longer regarded as chattel
I can no longer be beaten by my husband as of right because he wants to discipline me.
I can give evidence in court and the evidencial value of my testimony is accorded the same weight as that of a man.
I can inherit property.
I can expect to earn an honest wage for honest work.
I can work outside the home.
I can have custody of my children after divorce.
I can expect to share marital assets after divorce.
I can expect to be treated justly before any court of law.
If I am killed unlawfully, I should expect that the state will dilligently prosecute the perpetrator to the fullest extent of the law.

Feminism hasn't been bad to me at all.

[Eja]

For once I am on the same page with Auspy, nothing like an opinionated woman. Hmmm, just does the magic for me.

Sorry O, I beg to disagree with the two of una...wetin man wan take woman wey get opinion do? Listen, my brain capacity is big enough to do the all the thinking that needs to be done not just for my 180 wives but for any number of additional concubines.

Women are to be seen and not heard (except to ask what I want to eat or in the bedroom where they make noises like "Eja mai God, you are so magnificent, I have came 15 times already...etc. etc.").

[Dewdrops]

Because Erin Pizzey was the person who founded the first battered womens shelter in the UK, in Chiswick ...West London, People assumed that she was persuaded by The Feminist Ideology.
I suppose she wants to correct that impression.

I think the title is misleading.... since Feminism is not about hating men or denigrating men......but about letting women contribute their fair share to their own lives, and to society, without being made out as second class citizens.

Basically I just think she was just pointing out, that both women and men can be just as abusive and cruel in relationships / families, and used the example of her own abusive parents especially her mother to buttress her point.

That headline was just sensationalism.

O Kwa ya nu nu?(Nor be so?)

My point exactly!

Yem aka nke hi-10!...Gimme Hi-10....not just Hi-5....




Wey M.Akossa?....he he he...Make she come throw the usual bomb for this kain thread.

YouTube - Ma ma se ma ma sa ma ma coo sa

Thank God for Feminism...which has always been about progressive social change.

Today these are now possible for me a woman....

I can own property in my own name
I can have a bank account in my name
I can have any career I choose.
I can expect to be hired for a job I am qualified to do, and not denied employment, because a man who has a family to look after, needs it more.
I can attend any College/ University of my choice.(no university is barred from admitting me if I qualify to be admitted on account of being a woman)
I can continue with my career even after marriage.
I can reasonably expect to progress in my career, if I perform to the standards expected of any person holding that post regardless of gender.
I can vote.
I can apply for an international passport in my name.
I do not need my father, brother, husband or any other male family member. to guarantee my mortgage as a woman.
I do not need any of the above before I can step out of my front door.
I am no longer regarded as chattel
I can no longer be beaten by my husband as of right because he wants to discipline me.
I can give evidence in court and the evidencial value of my testimony is accorded the same weight as that of a man.
I can inherit property.
I can expect to earn an honest wage for honest work.
I can work outside the home.
I can have custody of my children after divorce.
I can expect to share marital assets after divorce.
I can expect to be treated justly before any court of law.
If I am killed unlawfully, I should expect that the state will dilligently prosecute the perpetrator to the fullest extent of the law.

Feminism hasn't been bad to me at all.

Plus, I "can fit to" marry as many men as I want......and discard at will....pay off the troublesome, lazy ones palimony to keep 'em quiet...

Amiiiiiiiiiiii

Amiiiiiiiiiiii

Amiiiiiiiiiii........Oooooh

Lagbara Jeeee suuuuu!!!!

It looks like many people especially men suffering from pre-eja-syndrome do not know what the feminism means...

[NoLongThing]

Many women have used concepts touted as feminism to weasel out of taking responsibility for their choices and personal frailties.

Women, being continuously painted as hapless individuals, powerless (in all situations) against menfolk, by bra burning extremists, have become victims at the hands of fellow women.

However in Nigeria, what women have mostly become is collateral damage from applying strange and poorly thought out concepts to their personal lives in the name of feminism. The good thing is they grit their teeth and bear the consequences and then persuade naive friends to their point of view. And the number of bitter crones keep rising while western style feminism rules.

Lesbianism is often an expression of an extreme form of feminism, me thinks. It's just a thought but I could be wrong.

Kai, Lordy Lordy Lordy. I have a very beautiful mother and extremely beautiful sisters, and I swear if anyone of them thinks or thought this way - God knows I will be guilty of murder i.e. na me go kill them myself. What the heck is wrong with you woman? Damn, for the first time on NVS - I am angry!

[HolyPagan]

Kai, Lordy Lordy Lordy. I have a very beautiful mother and extremely beautiful sisters, and I swear if anyone of them thinks or thought this way - God knows I will be guilty of murder i.e. na me go kill them myself. What the heck is wrong with you woman? Damn, for the first time on NVS - I am angry!

Coooool Balo Coooool.
Its all about goading....
What I saw in that post, was vestigial angst from the polygamy thread...side step it.

[denker]

I suppose like everything it depends on the emotional maturity people bring to whatever cause they are championing.

Some women actually believe that feminism equals being misandrists. And have on some level actually hijacked a good cause.
They therefore mistakenly 'over-correct' to the point of seeing anything Male as oppressive.
Just like some black people believe that its not possible for blacks to be racist. And would make excuses for all manner of racism perpetrated by blacks.

Feminism like most idealogies have extreme positions and centrist positions.

At the end of the day, what matters, is that people should treat each other as equals, and not assumed superiority of males, based on nothing but gender.

i must confess am loving some of the dings you spew on the board, nowadays..dat's exactly a fine ways to think...good thought up there!

[denker]

Thank God for Feminism...which has always been about progressive social change.

Today these are now possible for me a woman....

I can own property in my own name
I can have a bank account in my name
I can have any career I choose.
I can expect to be hired for a job I am qualified to do, and not denied employment, because a man who has a family to look after, needs it more.
I can attend any College/ University of my choice.(no university is barred from admitting me if I qualify to be admitted on account of being a woman)
I can continue with my career even after marriage.
I can reasonably expect to progress in my career, if I perform to the standards expected of any person holding that post regardless of gender.
I can vote.
I can apply for an international passport in my name.
I do not need my father, brother, husband or any other male family member. to guarantee my mortgage as a woman.
I do not need any of the above before I can step out of my front door.
I am no longer regarded as chattel
I can no longer be beaten by my husband as of right because he wants to discipline me.
I can give evidence in court and the evidencial value of my testimony is accorded the same weight as that of a man.
I can inherit property.
I can expect to earn an honest wage for honest work.
I can work outside the home.
I can have custody of my children after divorce.
I can expect to share marital assets after divorce.
I can expect to be treated justly before any court of law.
If I am killed unlawfully, I should expect that the state will dilligently prosecute the perpetrator to the fullest extent of the law.

Feminism hasn't been bad to me at all.

..of course the thoughts up there are attendant manifestoes of social climes based upon solely on spiritual/mind/logical/rational sophistication/domestication defining dynamism of human minds...am quite sure u ain't talking about dat jungle Nigeria....thank u once again...

[HolyPagan]

..of course the thoughts up there are attendant manifestoes of social climes based upon solely on spiritual/mind/logical/rational sophistication/domestication defining dynamism of human minds...am quite sure u ain't talking about dat jungle Nigeria....thank u once again...

Surely with just my G4, you don't expect me to know what the hell you mean up there.
Break it down...Your grammar too high ahbeg.

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[HolyPagan]

i must confess am loving some of the dings you spew on the board, nowadays..dat's exactly a fine ways to think...good thought up there!

Yeah that is until you get a new avatar and start cussing me out.

[denker]

..of course the thoughts up there are attendant manifestoes of social climes based upon solely on spiritual/mind/logical/rational sophistication/domestication defining dynamism of human minds...am quite sure u ain't talking about dat jungle Nigeria....thank u once again...

spiritual/mind/logical/rational sophistication/domestication + defining dynamism of human minds...

..abeg, my sista, make u no look at dis in isolation....think again, u gonna understand....if u no understand now, dont worry, there's time for everyding..

cheers and later o!

[Auspicious]

Thank God for Feminism...which has always been about progressive social change.

Today these are now possible for me a woman....

I can own property in my own name
I can have a bank account in my name
I can have any career I choose.
I can expect to be hired for a job I am qualified to do, and not denied employment, because a man who has a family to look after, needs it more.
I can attend any College/ University of my choice.(no university is barred from admitting me if I qualify to be admitted on account of being a woman)
I can continue with my career even after marriage.
I can reasonably expect to progress in my career, if I perform to the standards expected of any person holding that post regardless of gender.
I can vote.
I can apply for an international passport in my name.
I do not need my father, brother, husband or any other male family member. to guarantee my mortgage as a woman.
I do not need any of the above before I can step out of my front door.
I am no longer regarded as chattel
I can no longer be beaten by my husband as of right because he wants to discipline me.
I can give evidence in court and the evidencial value of my testimony is accorded the same weight as that of a man.
I can inherit property.
I can expect to earn an honest wage for honest work.
I can work outside the home.
I can have custody of my children after divorce.
I can expect to share marital assets after divorce.
I can expect to be treated justly before any court of law.
If I am killed unlawfully, I should expect that the state will dilligently prosecute the perpetrator to the fullest extent of the law.

Feminism hasn't been bad to me at all.

"And I can look at that Fine Guy strutting along and say:

"'Dayamn, I want me some of that Fine Guy!'"

"And immo get him and (bleep) the heckattahim"

"Feminism is Liberation. And Liberation is Unbriddled Joy! HA! "

Suspicious.

[agbonizuanghwe]

Coooool Balo Coooool.
Its all about goading....
What I saw in that post, was vestigial angst from the polygamy thread...side step it.

This unfortunately, is wrong. However since it will be impossible to disabuse your notions, I will have to let it rest at that.

Just for the records, there is a difference between feminist ideologies and the struggle for women's rights. Don't take my word for it, ask someone else. A person's sex is just one of many determining factors in a woman's outlook, most feminists do not recognise that.

[Auspicious]

This unfortunately, is wrong..

You needn't confirm nor refute anything to anybody.

Everyone has a right to his or her chosen path to an Orgasm.

Auspicious.

[HolyPagan]

"......................Just for the records, there is a difference between feminist ideologies and the struggle for women's rights. Don't take my word for it, ask someone else. A person's sex is just one of many determining factors in a woman's outlook, most feminists do not recognise that.

This is the first I've heard that feminist ideology is distinct from the struggle for womens rights.
Please could you let us know what it is then?

For starters, here's a definition of feminism
fem⋅i⋅nism  /ˈfɛməˌnɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fem-uh-niz-uhm] Show IPA

–noun 1. the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women.

Here's also a rudimentary treatise of what Feminism is about.(culled from Wikipedia)

Feminism is a political discourse aimed at equal rights and legal protection for women. It involves various movements, political and sociological theories, and philosophies, all concerned with issues of gender difference; that advocate equality for women; and that campaign for women's rights and interests

"..............................Feminism has altered predominant perspectives in a wide range of areas within Western society, ranging from culture to law. Feminist activists have campaigned for women's legal rights (rights of contract, property rights, voting rights); for women's right to bodily integrity and autonomy, for abortion rights, and for reproductive rights (including access to contraception and quality prenatal care); for protection of women and girls from domestic violence, sexual harassment and rape;[1][10][11] for workplace rights, including maternity leave and equal pay; against misogyny; and against other forms of discrimination............"

"...........Feminists and scholars have divided the movement's history into three "waves". The first wave refers mainly to women's suffrage movements of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries (mainly concerned with women's right to vote). The second wave refers to the ideas and actions associated with the women's liberation movement beginning in the 1960s (which campaigned for legal and social equality for women). The third wave refers to a continuation of, and a reaction to the perceived failures of, second-wave feminism, beginning in the 1990s..........."

[Eja]

Thank God for Feminism...which has always been about progressive social change.

Today these are now possible for me a woman....

I can own property in my own name
I can have a bank account in my name
I can have any career I choose.
I can expect to be hired for a job I am qualified to do, and not denied employment, because a man who has a family to look after, needs it more.
I can attend any College/ University of my choice.(no university is barred from admitting me if I qualify to be admitted on account of being a woman)
I can continue with my career even after marriage.
I can reasonably expect to progress in my career, if I perform to the standards expected of any person holding that post regardless of gender.
I can vote.
I can apply for an international passport in my name.
I do not need my father, brother, husband or any other male family member. to guarantee my mortgage as a woman.
I do not need any of the above before I can step out of my front door.
I am no longer regarded as chattel
I can no longer be beaten by my husband as of right because he wants to discipline me.
I can give evidence in court and the evidencial value of my testimony is accorded the same weight as that of a man.
I can inherit property.
I can expect to earn an honest wage for honest work.
I can work outside the home.
I can have custody of my children after divorce.
I can expect to share marital assets after divorce.
I can expect to be treated justly before any court of law.
If I am killed unlawfully, I should expect that the state will dilligently prosecute the perpetrator to the fullest extent of the law.

Feminism hasn't been bad to me at all.

Delusions about what they are and to what part of the human family (and cultural history) they belong to remains a problem for some Nigerians.

I have heard a member of Nigeria's ruling elites speak of "we in the western world" as if Nigeria were a part of the western world. What kind of strategies would one expect from a mad man like this one?

His of course is an extreme case....

I would like to address the many exaggerations and historical lies that litter the list quoted above. First, it is most likely that the purpose of the list's author is to reassure herself (and convince the rest of us) that feminism rescued African females from a dire fate. Normally, I have no problem with people who lather themselves with illusions, however, I will object when baseless lies and half-truths are presented as gospel in response to any conversation that I am involved in. Ladies and gentlemen, I will speak out.

Our list-maker starts in error. Even before she wrote the first word, she was in error because, for her to conceive the points she made, she had to first buy into the way of thinking that views the (often) monochrome world of the 'white' as being an adequate description for the vast (and complexly varied) interlocking things that are the real worlds of humanity.

Having bought into this fake description, she then dismisses her own indigenous history. A history that tells of fierce independent women who were nobody's 'chattel' - women who, like my great-grandmothers (and their mothers before them), owned businesses, properties, and controlled sectors of political power in their communities.

Women whose rise was in no way impeded by married lives.

I am trying to here to remind those who have conveniently forgotten that long before the word 'feminism' was invented, there were females like the Aba women of 1929, and Iyalode Efunroye Tinubu who were a force to be reckoned with.

I would also like to remind all voluntary amnesiacs how even further back in time - in African societies that had not been contaminated with practices and doctrines that came along with the Abrahamic cults (Islam and Christianity) - women played vital and decisive roles in the religious, administrative, economic, and cultural lives of their communities.

In short, I would like to remind ones like our list-maker of a history that has been discarded for the sake of making a point.

What we have here is tantamount to ones who were never slaves allowing themselves to be described as "ex-slaves" (or liberated 'chattel'). Allowing this false naming because you cannot see how it serves a purpose that is not to your benefit. Because, if you are a "liberated slave", then the ones who "liberated" you are ones who are deserving the highest praise. And in this case, since 'feminism' was invented by the so-called white woman, then the 'white' woman is your liberator....a virtual demi-goddess.

I speak only for myself here: it is painful to witness African sisters bowing their head to another on the basis of some weak-ass propaganda.

[HolyPagan]

Delusions about what they are and to what part of the human family (and cultural history) they belong to remains a problem for some Nigerians.

I have heard a member of Nigeria's ruling elites speak of "we in the western world" as if Nigeria were a part of the western world. What kind of strategies would one expect from a mad man like this one?

His of course is an extreme case....

I would like to address the many exaggerations and historical lies that litter the list quoted above. First, it is most likely that the purpose of the list's author is to reassure herself (and convince the rest of us) that feminism rescued African females from a dire fate. Normally, I have no problem with people who lather themselves with illusions, however, I will object when baseless lies and half-truths are presented as gospel in response to any conversation that I am involved in. Ladies and gentlemen, I will speak out............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...............................

.

Eja..I will address you in person...Instead of filling your head with half truths and misinformation, motivated by a misguided sense of Afrocentricism, why don't you get yourself properly informed.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste you know?

The truth of which I speak of on that list is self evident...Only a misogynist will deny it.
I always find it curious how people manifest their fears in various guises....what are you afraid of?
That empowered, women will strip you of your unfounded sense of male superiority?
That enlightened women will show your arguements as lacking in substance?
That educated women will thoroughly rupidiate the lies you peddle?
That independent women will render your tyranny ineffectual.

Parts of Your so called Culture, that are no longer fit for purpose, has been usurped by a superior, more effective, more beneficial one.....get with the programme.
Women are not going back to being your beast of burden...quit the lies and half truths.

[Eja]

Eja..I will address you in person...Instead of filling your head with half truths and misinformation, motivated by a misguided sense of Afrocentricism, why don't you get yourself properly informed.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste you know?

The truth of which I speak of on that list is self evident...Only a misogynist will deny it.
I always find it curious how people manifest their fears in various guises....what are you afraid of?
That empowered, women will strip you of your unfounded sense of male superiority?
That enlightened women will show your arguements as lacking in substance?
That educated women will thoroughly rupidiate the lies you peddle?
That independent women will render your tyranny ineffectual.

Parts of Your so called Culture, that are no longer fit for purpose, has been usurped by a superior, more effective, more beneficial one.....get with the programme.
Women are not going back to being your beast of burden...quit the lies and half truths.

liloldlady, I will address you as an Igbo woman: Please confirm that Igbo women like yourself were "beasts of burden", "chattel", "dis-empowered", "unenlightened", and "uneducated" prior to the glorious emergence of the western concept of 'feminism' (that you are busy gnawing on here like some starved dog).

You will note that all the words and terms I have used are based on what you yourself claim to have been 'rescued' from.

For myself, I have never had a beast of burden and I am not interested in acquiring one. So you can rest assured that you are in no danger from me. Now, please deal with my query with as little drama as your tiny warped mind can manage.

[denker]

my loving little sista knock dat bushman,wat's his name, i forgot, ok, i remember again, little Eja, out of dis thread...lol!

[NoLongThing]

Eja, the substance and by extension, the essense of what you have written defers not from that which Lil' has written. Also her derivation of the meaning of feminism as applied within a western context does not totally equate to your postulations of the long term existence of the African "feminist" - she is therefore totally correct if she wants to differentiate between the two concepts in making the assertions that she did above.

I therefore submit in line with her position that Western Feminism is a much broader concept than that which you chose or delibrately failed to acknowledge in your post. May we never be prisoners of cultures which seek to hold back abilities.

[Eja]

Oh and I would also appreciate a break-down of where I "mis-informed" or spoke "half-truths". Was it where I mentioned the Aba Women or, was it Iyalode Tinubu?

I humbly and eagerly await enlightenment from thee oh great female queen with big feminist balls....

[HolyPagan]

liloldlady, I will address you as an Igbo woman: Please confirm that Igbo women like yourself were "beasts of burden", "chattel", "dis-empowered", "unenlightened", and "uneducated" prior to the glorious emergence of the western concept of 'feminism' [COLOR="Silver"](that you are busy gnawing on here like some starved dog).
You will note that all the words and terms I have used are based on what you yourself claim to have been 'rescued' from.

For myself, I have never had a beast of burden and I am not interested in acquiring one. So you can rest assured that you are in no danger from me. Now, please deal with my query with as little drama as your tiny warped mind can manage.

You are the dog
a dog filled with Xenophobia and hate
a dog filled with hypocrisy and lies
a dog filled with badfaith and lack of goodwill to fellow mankind.
a dog that should be banished from polite society.

so long as you are blinded both literally and figuratively by hate, how are you able to see all the injustices that women have had to labour under, when cowards like you, go about spilling your hateful, spiteful, rhetoric to anybody who is stupid enough to give you the time of day.

[Dewdrops]

Eja..I will address you in person...Instead of filling your head with half truths and misinformation, motivated by a misguided sense of Afrocentricism, why don't you get yourself properly informed.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste you know?

The truth of which I speak of on that list is self evident...Only a misogynist will deny it.
I always find it curious how people manifest their fears in various guises....what are you afraid of?
That empowered, women will strip you of your unfounded sense of male superiority?
That enlightened women will show your arguements as lacking in substance?
That educated women will thoroughly rupidiate the lies you peddle?
That independent women will render your tyranny ineffectual.

Parts of Your so called Culture, that are no longer fit for purpose, has been usurped by a superior, more effective, more beneficial one.....get with the programme.
Women are not going back to being your beast of burden...quit the lies and half truths.

There are women trying ever so desperately to take themselves back to those days O!

All for deek shortages.....he he he
I just loooooooooooooooooooooooooooove you!

......and do does Mazi....Denker!!!!!


You are toooooooooooooo much!(with the kili-kili in your eyes of course).....

[Eja]

Eja, the substance and by extension, the essense of what you have written defers not from that which Lil' has written. Also her derivation of the meaning of feminism as applied within a western context does not totally equate to your postulations of the long term existence of the African "feminist" - she is therefore totally correct if she wants to differentiate between the two concepts in making the assertions that she did above.

I therefore submit in line with her position that Western Feminism is a much broader concept than that which you chose or delibrately failed to acknowledge in your post. May we never be prisoners of cultures which seek to hold back abilities.

Balo, calling one like Iyalode Tinubu a feminist would be as incorrect/inaccurate as calling Oduduwa an Africanist or even a Nigerian. Also, please note that at no time has liloldlady (and the rest of her coven) ever identified themselves as Feminists who are looking at matters from the African perspective. One can only agree with such a stance if one believes that such a perspective has no validity.

[Dewdrops]

You are the dog
a dog filled with Xenophobia and hate
a dog filled with hypocrisy and lies
a dog filled with badfaith and lack of goodwill to fellow mankind.
a dog that should be banished from polite society.

so long as you are blinded both literally and figuratively by hate, how are you able to see all the injustices that women have had to labour under, when cowards like you, go about spilling your hateful, spiteful, rhetoric to anybody who is stupid enough to give you the time of day.

Nne please take it easy.......you know that 'it is sense' we use to handle these things huh?

[HolyPagan]

There are women trying ever so desperately to take themselves back to those days O!

All for deek shortages.....he he he
I just loooooooooooooooooooooooooooove you!

......and do does Mazi....Denker!!!!!


You are toooooooooooooo much!(with the kili-kili in your eyes of course).....

My sister, I go knock pesin teet komot for dis thread today....na me an Eja today.

[Eja]

You are the dog
a dog filled with Xenophobia and hate
a dog filled with hypocrisy and lies
a dog filled with badfaith and lack of goodwill to fellow mankind.
a dog that should be banished from polite society.

so long as you are blinded both literally and figuratively by hate, how are you able to see all the injustices that women have had to labour under, when cowards like you, go about spilling your hateful, spiteful, rhetoric to anybody who is stupid enough to give you the time of day.

Oh my, must be that time of the month. Wassup liloldbeach? Tampon too big and rugged? Pele O. Tell you what, lets take this up again in seven days time when your hormones are more balanced. OK?

[Dewdrops]

Eja, the substance and by extension, the essense of what you have written defers not from that which Lil' has written. Also her derivation of the meaning of feminism as applied within a western context does not totally equate to your postulations of the long term existence of the African "feminist" - she is therefore totally correct if she wants to differentiate between the two concepts in making the assertions that she did above.

I therefore submit in line with her position that Western Feminism is a much broader concept than that which you chose or delibrately failed to acknowledge in your post.


May we never be prisoners of cultures which seek to hold back abilities.

I need more icons in this village.....to really demonstrate how I feel.....YES....I am chasing you....


How do we get an icon for 'mating season'.....for example?

I would most definitely looooooooooooooooooooove to "propagate" your species....Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee of chhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhharge....

[HolyPagan]

Eja, the substance and by extension, the essense of what you have written defers not from that which Lil' has written. Also her derivation of the meaning of feminism as applied within a western context does not totally equate to your postulations of the long term existence of the African "feminist" - she is therefore totally correct if she wants to differentiate between the two concepts in making the assertions that she did above.

I therefore submit in line with her position that Western Feminism is a much broader concept than that which you chose or delibrately failed to acknowledge in your post. May we never be prisoners of cultures which seek to hold back abilities.

Thank You my brother...
Eja is trying to make a distinction without a difference.
Injustice is injustice, giving it an African hue, does not deter from the very fact that it is injustice, and so should its correction.
Does it matter that the very origins of that correction, is from outside the shores of Africa?
Does it matter that the very ideology, that has put paid to the many wrongs that women endured, did not originate from our shores?
what matters is that women can at least to larger or lesser degree, enjoy the various freedoms I enumerated in that list.

[Eja]

my loving little sista knock dat bushman,wat's his name, i forgot, ok, i remember again, little Eja, out of dis thread...lol!

Mazi rinky-dink denker of Austria, na wetin be your own? Make una wait for me. I dey go work now, Cash you all later tonight?

Auf wiedersehen mein kookoo schweinhunds....

[Dewdrops]

My sister, I go knock pesin teet komot for dis thread today....na me an Eja today.

Mba mba mba.....there are other ways.......