Nigerian Village Square Forum "The Square"

Go Back   The Village Square > Town Hall > Articles and Comments

Comment
 
LinkBack Article Tools Display Modes

Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?
Submitted by Robot
Jun 12, 2009
Default Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?

MUSLIMS AND THE INTERNET: WHAT MANNER OF MESSENGERS? The Internet has brought changes of hitherto unimaginable proportions to the way people communicate. Today’s educated Muslims, especially the youth and professionals, have been quick to join the Internet bandwagon as a major medium for finding or sharing information on issues that matter to them and if necessary, mobilising globally to confront common challenges. Among much else, Muslims use the Internet to send and receive emails on Islamic teachings, for discussion of local and international politics (e.g. the war on terror and the Israel-Palestine conflict), to find answers to theological questions (as found on the many Q&A websites and discussion forums), and even for personal issues (such as the Muslim dating websites that single men and women are increasingly resorting to, to find Mr. or Mrs. Right). Don’t get me wrong; I’m all for hopping on this bandwagon, which can be a veritable ...Read the full article.
Member rating
Relevance of TopicN/A
Uniqueness:
How different is this from other writeups?
N/A
Timelessness:
Will this still be a good read in years to come?
N/A
Author's Writing StyleN/A
0 users rated N/A% average
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Old Jun 12, 2009 , 05:54 PM   # 1 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



The challenges faced in this regard are huge. If (as it appears) Islam does not allow for rigorous academic dissection or criticism in the public realm, it will be almost impossible to educate many (beyond those who engage in Islamic (academic) study or who have a liberal approach to its interpretation)about the fabrications which fly through cyber space and those maintained at terrestrial level. One must therefore commend the writer for taking up this delicate issue.

Eace is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 12, 2009 , 07:32 PM   # 2 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Your effort is commendable and in my opinion comprehensive enough. You put my sentiments in words and may Allah increase your knowledge.

There is one I recieved recently which purpotedly informed me of the fatwa on using verses of the Quran as ringing tone. I have ignored it for the reason it gave for the fatwa and that is that if the recitation was not completed before you recieve the call it could make out another meaning. This seems reasonable but it ignored the first hadith of Al Nawawi "Actions shall be judged according to intention".

__________________
Woe be unto all oppressors and all silent oppressed-Prophet muhammad(SAW) 570-632AD
Tunde meee is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 12, 2009 , 11:16 PM   # 3 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



The information provided is commendable, but my reaction is to the response credited to one Eire. As a matter of fact, it is people like Eire, with their intolerant posture that are making it difficult for adherents of different existing religions to tolerate one another. Does your response, by describing Islam as archaic deserving, at least, within the context of the article in question? I certainly feel we need to grow, please.

Abubakar Ahmed is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2009 , 10:07 AM   # 4 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



May Allah be pleased with you for this priceless piece.

You have articulated your thoughts in a manner consistent with those of great muslim writers of yore and I pray that Allah continues to increase you in knowledge, guidance and faith.

abdulmumin is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2009 , 11:08 AM   # 5 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Reference: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/


The Myth:

Lesser educated Muslims sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is “peace” in Arabic.

The Truth:

An Arabic word only has one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no controversy about this among Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.

Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace is often brought about through forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, "Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law."

In truth, the Qur’an not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also commands them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its success in conquering other cultures.



Islam Respects Women as Equals



The Myth:

The Qur’an places men and women on equal foundation before Allah. Each person is judged according to his or her own deeds. Women have equal rights under Islamic law.

The Truth:

Merely stating that individuals will be judged as such by Allah does not mean that they have equal rights and roles, or that they are judged by the same standards.

There is no ambiguity in the Qur’an, the life of Muhammad, or Islamic law as to the inferiority of women to men, despite the efforts of modern-day apologists to salvage Western-style feminism from scraps and fragments of verses that have historically held no such progressive interpretation.

After military conquests, Muhammad would dole out captured women as war prizes to his men. In at least one case, he advocated that they be raped in front of their husbands. Captured women were made into sex slaves by the very men who killed their husbands and brothers. There are at least three Qur’anic verses in which "Allah" makes clear that a Muslim master has full sexual access to his female slaves, yet there is not one that prohibits rape.

The Qur’an gives Muslim men permission to beat their wives for disobedience. It plainly says that husbands are “a degree above” wives. The Hadith says that women are intellectually inferior, and that they comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants.

Under Islamic law, a man may divorce his wife at the drop of a hat. If he does this twice, then wishes to remarry her, then she must first have sex with another man. Men are exempt from such degradations.

Muslim women are not free to marry whomever they please, as are Muslim men. Their husband may bring other wives into the marriage bed. She must be sexually available to him at all times (as a field ready to be “tilled,” according to the holy book of Islam).

Muslim women do not inherit property in equal portions to males. Their testimony in court is considered to be worth only half that of a man’s. Unlike a man, she must cover her head and often her face.

If a woman wants to prove that she was raped, then there must be four male witnesses to corroborate her account. Otherwise she will be jailed or stoned to death for confessing to “adultery.”

Given all of this, it is quite a stretch to say that men and women have “equality under Islam” based on obscure theological analogies or comparisons. This is an entirely new stratagem that is designed to appeal to modern tastes, but is in sharp disagreement with the reality of Islamic law and history.

Further Reading from the Qur'an:

Veils
Women Worth Less than Men
Proving Rape under Islamic Law
Wife-Beating
Divorce - A Man's Prerogative
Remarriage
Men in Charge of Women
Polygamy


Jihad Means 'Inner Struggle'





The Myth:

Islam’s Western apologists sometimes claim that since the Arabic word, Jihad, literally means “fight” or “struggle,” it refers to an “inner struggle” rather than holy war.

The Truth:

This is extremely difficult to reconcile with the Qur’an, which, for example, exempted the disabled and elderly from Jihad (4:95). This would make no sense if the word is being used merely within the context of spiritual struggle. It is also unclear why Muhammad would use graphic language, such as smiting fingers and heads from the hands and necks of unbelievers if he were speaking merely of character development.

With this in mind, Muslims themselves usually admit that there are two meanings to the word, but insist that “inner struggle” is the “greater Jihad,” whereas “holy war” is the “lesser.” In fact, this misconception is based only on an a single hadith that is extremely weak and unreliable.

By contrast, the most reliable of all Hadith is that of Bukhari. The word, Jihad, is mentioned over 200 times in reference to the words of Muhammad and each one is a clear connotation to holy war, with only a handful of possible exceptions (dealing with a woman's supporting role during a time of holy war).

Further Reading:

The Greater-Lesser Jihad Myth (from a Muslim Source)



Islam is a Religion of Peace



The Myth:

Muhammad was a peaceful man who taught his followers to be the same. Muslims lived peacefully for centuries, only fighting in self-defense when it was necessary. True Muslims would never act aggressively.

The Truth:

Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them. The more power that he attained, the smaller the excuse needed to go to battle, until finally he began attacking tribes merely because they were not part of his growing empire.

After Muhammad’s death, his most faithful followers and even his own family turned on each other almost immediately. There were four Caliphs (leaders) in the first twenty-five years. Three of the four were murdered. The third Caliph was murdered by the son of the first. The fourth Caliph was murdered by the fifth, who left a 100-year dynasty that was ended in a gruesome, widespread bloodbath by descendents of Muhammad’s uncle.

Muhammad’s own daughter, Fatima, and his son-in-law, Ali, who both survived the pagan hardship during the Meccan years safe and sound, did not survive Islam after the death of Muhammad. Fatima died of stress from persecution within three months, and Ali was later assassinated. Their son (Muhammad’s grandson) was killed in battle with the faction that became today’s Sunnis. His people became Shias. The relatives and personal friends of Muhammad were mixed into both warring groups, which then fractured further into hostile sub-divisions as Islam expanded.

Muhammad left his men with instructions to take the battle against the Christians, Persians, Jews and polytheists (which came to include millions of unfortunate Hindus). For the next four centuries, Muslim armies steamrolled over unsuspecting neighbors, plundering them of loot and slaves, and forcing the survivors to either convert or pay tribute at the point of a sword.

Companions of Muhammad lived to see Islam declare war on every major religion in the world in just the first few decades following his death - pressing the Jihad against Hindus, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and Buddhists.

By the time of the Crusades (when the Europeans began fighting back), Muslims had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world by sword, from Spain to Syria, and across North Africa.

Millions of Christians were enslaved by Muslims, and tens of millions of Africans. The Arab slave-trading routes would stay open for 1300 years, until pressure from Christian-based countries forced Islamic nations to declare the practice illegal (in theory). To this day, the Muslim world has never apologized to the victims of Jihad and slavery.

There is not another religion in the world that consistently produces terrorism in the name of religion as does Islam. The most dangerous Muslims are nearly always those who interpret the Qur’an most transparently. They are the fundamentalists or purists of the faith, and believe in Muhammad’s mandate to spread Islamic rule by the sword, putting to death those who will not submit.

The holy texts of Islam are saturated with verses of violence and hatred toward those outside the faith. In sharp contrast to the Bible, which generally moves from relatively violent episodes to far more peaceful mandates, the Qur’an travels the exact opposite path (violence is first forbidden, then permitted, then mandatory). The handful of earlier verses that speak of tolerance are overwhelmed by an avalanche of later ones that carry a much different message. While Old Testament verses of blood and guts are generally bound by historical context within the text itself, Qur'anic imperatives to violence usually appear open-ended and subject to personal interpretation.

By any objective measure, the "Religion of Peace" has been the harshest, bloodiest religion the world has ever known.

Further Reading:

The Life of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth
Muslim Terror from 9/11 through 2003
Muslim Terror in 2004
Muslim Terror in 2005
Muslim Terror in 2006
Muslim Terror in 2007
In the Name of Allah



Islam is Tolerant of Other Religions



The Myth:

Religious minorities have flourished under Islam. Muslims are commanded to protect Jew and Christians (the People of the Book) and to do them no harm.

The Truth:

Religious minorities have not “flourished” under Islam. In fact, they have dwindled to mere shadows after centuries of persecution and discrimination. Some were converted from their native religion by brute force, others under the agonizing strain of dhimmitude.

What Muslims call “tolerance,” others correctly identify as institutionalized discrimination. The consignment of Jews and Christians to dhimmis under Islamic rule means that they are not allowed the same religious rights and freedoms as Muslims. They cannot share their faith, for example, or build houses of worship without permission.

Historically, dhimmis have often had to wear distinguishing clothing or cut their hair in a particular manner that indicates their position of inferiority and humiliation. They do not share the same legal rights as Muslims, and must even pay a poll tax (the jizya). They are to be killed or have their children taken from them if they cannot satisfy the tax collector’s requirements.

For hundreds of years, the Christian population in occupied Europe had their sons taken away and forcibly converted into Muslim warriors (known as Jannisaries) by the Ottoman Turks.

It is under this burden of discrimination and third-class status that so many converted to Islam over the centuries. Those who didn’t often faced economic and social hardships that persist to this day and are appalling by Western standards of true religious tolerance and pluralism.

For those who are not “the People of the Book,” such as Hindus and atheists, there is very little tolerance to be found once Islam establishes political superiority. The Qur’an tells Muslims to “fight in the way of Allah” until “religion is only for Allah.” The conquered populations face death if they do not establish regular prayer and charity in the Islamic tradition (ie. the pillars of Islam).

Tamerlane and other Muslim warriors slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Hindus and Buddhists, as well as displacing or forcibly converting millions more over the last thousand years.

One of the great ironies of Islam is that non-Muslims are to be treated according to the very standards by which Muslim would claim the right to violent self-defense were the shoe on the other foot. Islam is its own justification. Most Muslims therefore feel no need to question the ingrained arrogance and double standards.

At best, the "religion of peace" has a dual personality toward other religions. In some places they are explicitly cursed by Allah, in others there appears to be a measure of tolerance shown. There are about 500 verses in the Qur’an that speak of Allah’s hatred for non-Muslims and the punishment that he has prepared for their unbelief. There is also a tiny handful that say otherwise, but these are mostly earlier verses that many scholars consider to be abrogated by the later, more violent ones.
If tolerance simply means discouraging the mass slaughter of those of a different faith, then today's Islam generally meets this standard more often than not. But, if tolerance means allowing people of other faiths the same religious liberties that Muslims enjoy, then Islam is fundamentally the most intolerant religion under the sun.



Islam and the “Golden Age” of Scientific Discovery



The Myth:

Muslims often claim that their religion fostered a rich heritage of scientific discovery, “paving the way” for modern advances in technology and medicine. On this topic, they usually refer to the period between the 7th and 13th centuries, when Europe was experiencing its “Dark Ages” and the Muslim world was conquering new populations and culture.

The Truth:

Although there is no arguing that the Muslim world was more advanced during this period than the “Christian” world, the reasons for this have absolutely nothing to do with the Islamic religion (other than its mandate for military expansion). In fact, the religion actively discourages knowledge outside of itself, which is why the most prolific Muslim scholars throughout history tend to be students of religion rather than science.

There are four basic reasons why Islam has little true claim to scientific achievement:

First, the Muslim world benefited greatly from the Greek sciences, which were translated for them by Christians and Jews. To their credit, Muslims did a better job of preserving Greek text than did the Europeans of the time, and this became the foundation for their own knowledge. (One large reason for this, however, was that access by Christians to this part of their world was cut off by Muslim slave ships and coastal raids that dominated the Mediterranean during this period).

Secondly, many of the scientific advances credited to Islam were actually “borrowed” from other cultures conquered by the Muslims. The algebraic concept of “zero”, for example, is erroneously attributed to Islam, but it was, in fact, a Hindu discovery that was merely introduced to the West by Muslims.

In fact, conquered populations contributed greatly to the history of “Muslim science” until gradually being decimated by conversion to Islam (under the pressures of dhimmitude). The Muslim concentration within a population is directly proportional to the decline of scientific achievement. It is no accident that the Muslim world has had little to show for itself in the last 600 years or so, since running out of new civilizations to cannibalize.

Third, even the great Muslim scientists and icons were often considered heretics in their time, sometimes for good reason. One of the greatest achievers to come out of the Muslim world was the Persian scientist and philosopher, al-Razi. His impressive works are often held up today as “proof” of Muslim accomplishment. But what the apologists often leave out is that al-Razi was denounced as a blasphemer, since he followed his own religious beliefs – which were in obvious contradiction to traditional Islam.

Fourth, even the contributions that are attributed to Islam (often inaccurately) are not terribly dramatic. There is the invention of certain words, such as alchemy and elixir, but not much else that survives in modern technology that is of any practical significance. Neither is there any reason to believe that such discoveries would not have easily been made by the West following the cultural awakening triggered by the Reformation.

As an example of this, consider that Muslims claim credit for coffee, since the beans were discovered in Africa (at the time, an important venue for Islamic slave trading) and first processed in the Middle East. While this is true, it is also true that the red dye used in many food products, from cranberry juice to candy, comes from the abdomen of a particular female beetle found in South America. It is extremely unlikely that the West would not have stumbled across coffee by now (although, to be fair, coffee probably expedited subsequent discoveries).

In fact, the litany of “Muslim” achievement often takes the form of rhapsody, in which the true origins of these discoveries are omitted - along with their comparative significance to Western achievement. However, scientific, medical and technological accomplishments are not something over which Muslim apologists want to get into a pissing contest with the Christian world. Today’s Islamic innovators are primarily known for turning Western technology, such as cell phones and airplanes, into instruments of mass murder.

To sum up, although the Islamic religion is not entirely hostile to science, neither should it be confused as a facilitator. The great achievements that are said to have come out of the Islamic world were made either by non-Muslims who happened to be under Islamic rule, or by heretics who usually had little interest in Islam. Scientific discovery tapers off dramatically as Islam asserts dominance, until it eventually peters out altogether.



Islam is Opposed to Slavery



The Myth:

Islam is intolerant of enslaving human beings. The religion eradicated the institution of slavery thanks to the principles set in motion by Muhammad, who was an abolitionist.

The Truth:

There is not the least bit of intolerance for slavery anywhere in the Qur’an. In fact, the “holy” book of Islam explicitly gives slave-owners the freedom to sexually exploit their slaves – not just in one place, but in at least three separate Suras. Islamic law is littered with rules concerning the treatment of slaves, some of which are relatively humane, but none that prohibit the actual practice by any stretch.

The very presence of these rules condones and legitimizes the institution of slavery. Adding to this is the fact that Muhammad was an avid slave trader. After providing ample evidence of his activities according to the most reliable Muslim biographers, the Center of the Study of Political Islam summarizes their findings:

Muhammad captured slaves, sold slaves, bought slaves as gifts of pleasure, received slaves as gifts, and used slaves for work. The Sira is exquisitely clear on the issue of slavery. (Muhammad and the Unbelievers: a Political Life)
As such, this deeply dehumanizing horror has been a ubiquitous tradition of Islam since the days of Muhammad to the current plight of non-Muslims in the Sudan, Mali, Niger and Mauritania, as well as other parts of the Muslim world.

There has never been an abolitionary movement within Islam (just as the religion produces no organized resistance to present-day enslavement). The abolition of slavery was imposed on the Islamic world by European countries, along with other political pressures that were entirely unrelated to Islamic law.

Although horrible abuses of slaves in the Muslim world were recorded, there has been little inclination toward the documentation and earnest contrition that one finds in the West. The absence of a guilty conscience often leads to the mistaken impression that slavery was not as bad under Islam... when it is actually indicative of the tolerance that the religion has for the practice

So narcissistic is the effect of Islam on the devoted, that to this day many Muslims believe in their hearts that the women and children carried off in battle, and their surviving men folk, were actually done a favor by the Muslim warriors who plucked them from their fields and homes and relegated them to lives of demeaning servitude.

Shame and apology, no matter how appropriate, are almost never to be found in Dar al-Islam. Caliphs, the religious equivalent of popes, maintained harems of hundreds, sometimes thousands of young girls and women captured from lands as far away as Europe and consigned to sexual slavery. Hungarians were hunted like animals by the Turks, who carried 3 million into slavery over a 150 year period in the 1500-1600's. In India, 200,000 Hindus were captured and transported to Iranian slave markets in just a two year span (1619-1620) by one of the kinder Muslim rulers.

African slaves were often castrated by their Muslim masters. Few survived to reproduce, which is why there are not many people of African descent living in the Middle East, even though more slaves were taken out of Africa in the 1300 years of Arab slave trading than in the 300 years of European slavery. The 400,000 slaves brought to America, for example, have now become a community of 30 million, with a much higher standard of living than their African peers.

There is no William Wilberforce or Bartoleme de las Casas in Islamic history as there is in Christianity. When asked to produce the name of a Muslim abolitionist, apologists sometimes meekly suggest Muhammad himself. But, if a slave owner and trader, who commanded the capture and sexual exploitation of slaves, and left a 13-century legacy of divinely-sanctioned slavery, is the best that Islam can offer, then no amount of sophistry will be enough to convince any but the most ignorant.

Further Reading:

Slavery in Islam (TROP)
Slavery in Islam (Answering Islam site)



Islam is Completely Incompatible with Terrorism



The Myth:

Islam is completely incompatible with acts of terrorism. It is against Islam to kill innocent people.

The Truth:

Even though many Muslims earnestly believe that their religion prohibits the killing of innocent people by acts of terrorism, the truth is certainly more complicated. This is why the Jihadis and their detractors are both able to point fingers at the other, while confidently insisting that they are the true Muslims. It is also why organizations that commit horrible atrocities in the name of Allah, such as Hamas and Hezbollah, receive moral and financial support from mainstream Muslims and Islamic charities.

In fact, the definition of an “innocent person” is far more ambiguous in Islam than Muslim apologists will lead others to believe. So, also, is the definition of terrorism.

First, consider that anyone who rejects Muhammad is not considered to be innocent under Islamic law. The most protected and respected of all non-Muslims are the dhimma, the “people of the book.” These would specifically be Jews and Christians who agree to Islamic rule and pay the jizya (tribute to Muslims). Yet, the word “dhimmi” comes from the Arabic root meaning “guilt” or "blame." ["...the dhimmi parent and sister words mean both 'to blame' as well as safeguards that can be extended to protect the blameworthy" Amitav Ghosh, In an Antique Land]

So, if even the dhimma have a measure of guilt attached to their status (by virtue of having rejected Allah’s full truth), then how can non-Muslims who oppose Islamic rule or refuse to pay the jizya be considered “innocent?”

Within the Islamic community itself there is a category of Muslims who are also said to bear guilt – greater even than the average non-believer. These are the hypocrites, or “Munafiqin,” whom Muhammad referred to in the most derogatory terms. A hypocrite is considered to be a Muslim in name only. They are distinguished either by an unwillingness to wage holy war or by an intention to corrupt the community of believers.

When Muslims kill Muslims in the name of Allah (which occurs quite frequently), they usually do so believing that their victims are Munafiqin or kafir (unbelievers). This is actually a part of Islamic Law known as takfir, in which Muslims are declared apostates and then executed. (A true Muslim would go to paradise anyway, in which case he or she could hardly be expected to nurse a grudge amidst the orgy of sex and wine).

In addition to the murky definition of innocence, there is also the problem of distinguishing terrorism from holy war. Islamic terrorists never refer to themselves as terrorists, but always as holy warriors (Mujahideen, Shahid, or Fedayeen). They consider their acts to be a form of Jihad.

Holy war is something that Muhammad commanded in the Qur’an and Hadith. In Sura 9:29, he establishes the principle that unbelievers should be fought until they either convert to Islam or accept a state of humiliation under Islamic subjugation. This is confirmed in the Hadith by both Sahih Muslim and Bukhari.

In many places, the prophet of Islam says that Jihad is the ideal path for a Muslim, and that believers should “fight in the way of Allah.” There are dozens of open-ended passages in the Qur’an that exhort killing and fighting – far more than ones of peace and tolerance. It is somewhat naïve to think that their inclusion in this "eternal discourse between God and Man" was of historical value only and not intended to be relevant to present-day believers, particularly when there is little to nothing within the text that distinguishes them in such fashion.

Combine the Qur’anic exhortation to holy war with the ambiguity of innocence, and a monumental problem develops that cannot be covered over by mere semantics. Not only is there a deep tolerance for violence in Islam, but also a sharp disagreement and lack of clarity over the conditions that justify this violence... and just whom the targets may be.

Even many Muslims who claim to be against terrorism still support the “insurgency” in Iraq, for example, and often entertain the allegation that there is a broader “war against Islam.” Although the Americans in Iraq are trying to protect innocent life and help the country rebuild, Muslims around the world and in the West believe that it is legitimate for Sunnis to try and kill them.

Enjoying the sanction of holy war, the Mujahid reasons that it is permissible to attack fellow Iraqis – the ones helping the Americans… even if they are part of a democratically-elected Iraqi government. These non-combatants and combatants alike are believed to be the “Munafiqin” or "Takfir" assisting the enemy “Crusaders.”

Although we use Iraq as an example here, this is the same rationale that is ultimately behind all Islamic terror, from the Philippines to Thailand. Wherever the religion of Islam is a minority, there are always radicals who believe that violence is justified in bringing it to dominance - just as Muhammad taught by example in places like Mecca and the land of al-Harith.

And what of the so-called “innocents” who suffer from the bombings and shootings? Even in Muhammad’s time they were unavoidable. The much-touted hadith in which Muhammad forbade the killing of women also indicates that there were such casualties in his conflicts.

If there is any doubt that he believed that the forbidden is sometimes necessary, it should be put to rest by an incident in which Muhammad's men warned him that a planned night raid against an enemy camp would mean that women and children would be killed. He merely replied “they are of them,” meaning the men.

This is the slippery slope that is opened by the sanction of holy war. What starts out as the perception of a noble cause of self-defense against a supposed threat gradually devolves into a "let Allah sort them out" campaign through a series of logical steps that are ultimately justified by the sublime goal of Islamic rule.

Islam is not intended to co-exist as an equal with other religions. It is to be the dominant religion, with Sharia as the supreme law. Islamic rule is to be extended to the ends of the earth, and resistance is to be dealt with by any means necessary.

Apologists in the West often shrug off the Qur'an's many verses of violence by saying that they are only relevant in a “time of war.”

To this, Islamic terrorists would agree. They are at war.

eire is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2009 , 12:44 PM   # 6 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



@Muhsin, Abubakar Ahmed and Abdulmumin,

An important part of tolerance is the ability to totally ignore (i.e. tolerate) irresponsible criticisms and inflammatory remarks that are not going to add value to the topic being discussed. there are posts on NVS that are worth responding to and there posts that really shouldn't be allowed on this site in the first place for the simple reason that they incite hate and are clearly intended to foment trouble. Fortunately, the latter are almost always associated with certain people. you can easily recognise these people because they completely lack the ability to make any meaningful contribution to intelligent discourses but are experts when it comes to ethnic and religious bigotry (i think that is testament to the inability of our educational system to widen the horizon of people and arm them with the capacity to overcome primordial ethnic/religious prejudices).

You guys will do well to ignore those obnoxious posts. if u can't, i think there is a facility on this site that allows u to block comments from particular people (so that u don't see their comments).

__________________
The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. - Oliver Wendell Holmes

A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. -Plato
ILN TOO is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Thanked by: abdulmumin, emj
Old Jun 13, 2009 , 01:11 PM   # 7 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Quote of the thread:

Originally Posted by ILN TOO View Post

An important part of tolerance is the ability to totally ignore (i.e. tolerate) irresponsible criticisms and inflammatory remarks that are not going to add value to the topic being discussed. there are posts on NVS that are worth responding to and there posts that really shouldn't be allowed on this site in the first place for the simple reason that they incite hate and are clearly intended to foment trouble.

Fortunately, the latter are almost always associated with certain people. you can easily recognise these people because they completely lack the ability to make any meaningful contribution to intelligent discourses but are experts when it comes to ethnic and religious bigotry

(i think that is testament to the inability of our educational system to widen the horizon of people and arm them with the capacity to overcome primordial ethnic/religious prejudices).

You guys will do well to ignore those obnoxious posts. if u can't, i think there is a facility on this site that allows u to block comments from particular people (so that u don't see their comments).
**BAAAAAAAAAAM**

The ignore button works wonders. Mine is completely "occupied" in all slots. I am maxed out in that capacity, while asking for a possible way of extending the benefits of the multiplying effects of such an important tool function. Sometimes you have to learn 'how not to bother'. It takes some amount of discipline to achieve such a feat around here, I have figured.

I think an IQ test should be mandated before any can log on to any public forum. IQ's of 70 or less(gross mental retardation as classified by the experts. . . mine is 71) have really no place but where you can find religious or ethnic bigotry really. Blame the environment not education. It is a genetic/environmental problem namely as a result of poverty and malnutrition.

Thank God Madonna has rescued another baby from Malawi.

Extremely toxic!

 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2009 , 02:48 PM   # 8 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Thanks Nurain,
Main proble with NVS is generalization. I believe there are good and bad muslims.All muslims should not be held accountable for atrocities of the few bad ones. When a muslim is killed in Onisha,it is nothing,but if a christian is killed in Kano it becomes a story. The igbos started it by killing Ahmadu Bello, Balewa ,Akintola and Kur Mohammed and Brig Maimalari.I cannot say then all igbos are killers.The Hausa say "a crime is like a hill, you climb on your own and view other people's own".

maikanodahiru is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2009 , 06:56 PM   # 9 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Originally Posted by eire View Post
Reference: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/


The Myth:

Lesser educated Muslims sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is “peace” in Arabic.

The Truth:

An Arabic word only has one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no controversy about this among Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.............................................. .............
The biggest of all the myths is equating allah with the God of the bible. By simple kindergarten school kid logic anyone can easily tell it is IMPOSSIBLE for allah to be one and the same as the God of the bible !!

allah who is on a one way ride to perdition is lashing out these endtimes knowing his time is very short. The time is fast approaching when moslems will dump allah enmass and in a hurry too.

LoveNigeria is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2009 , 08:44 PM   # 10 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Maikanodahiru,

The igbos started it by killing Ahmadu Bello, Balewa ,Akintola and Kur Mohammed and Brig Maimalari.I cannot say then all igbos are killers.The Hausa say "a crime is like a hill, you climb on your own and view other people's own".
Killings of Igbos in the North date back to 1945.

http://nigeriaworld.com/letters/2000/may/223pr.html
Since 1945, Igbo people have been subjected to Islamic religious victimization, political and economic persecution and a genocidal war, which claimed the lives of an estimated two million Igbo. A chronology of anti Igbo virulence is presented below.

1945—A general strike by workers was seized upon by anti Igbo Northern Muslims, who attacked and killed hundreds of Christian Igbo civilians and looted their property in the Northern city of Jos.

1953—A contentious constitutional conference in the Western city of Ibadan inflamed Muslim Northerners, who attacked Igbo people in the Northern Nigerian city of Kano, slaughtering hundreds, including women and children.

1966—Northern Muslims carried out three waves of pogroms against Igbo people in Northern Nigeria, killing 50,000 and looting property valued at several hundred million Dollars. By the end of the third wave of massacres, an estimated one and a half million Igbo had fled to Igboland, abandoning everything they owned in Northern Nigeria.

1967—A Northern-led army declared war on the Igbo, who only wanted to be safe and secure in their natural homeland and had declared the sovereign Republic of Biafra in furtherance of their desires. The brutal fighting which ensued destroyed the infrastructure of Igboland, then at par with the developing nations of Southeast Asia, and caused the deaths by starvation of an estimated two million Igbo, who were victims of a food blockade, imposed by the Northern led Nigerian government as a war strategy.

1980—Riots, church burnings and killings of Igbo in Kano.

1982—Religious riots, church burnings and killings of Igbo in Maiduguri.

1984—Similar occurrences in Yola as in Maiduguri.

1985—Similar occurrences in Gombe as in Maiduguri

1987—Similar occurrences in Kaduna and Kafanchan as in Maiduguri.

1991—Similar occurrences in Bauchi and Katsina as in Maiduguri.

1991—Repeat occurrences in Kano.

1993—Similar occurrences in Funtua as in Maiduguri.

1994—Repeat occurrences in Kano

2000—Religious riots over Sharia Law and the imposition of the Sharia Muslim penal code on Christians, including the Igbo, resulting in the deaths of one thousand Igbo people.

Carrygo is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Thanked by: Agidimolaja, Balo, Bunch17, iamgod
Old Jun 13, 2009 , 09:05 PM   # 11 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Originally Posted by maikanodahiru View Post
Thanks Nurain,
Main proble with NVS is generalization.
Originally Posted by maikanodahiru View Post
The igbos started it by killing Ahmadu Bello, Balewa ,Akintola and Kur Mohammed and Brig Maimalari.
No kiding! Did you actually read what you wrote? On one hand you criticise NVS for generalisation and on another hand you commit the same offence you have accused others of. Hypocrisy to the highest order.

That you are justifying the pogrom betrays your pretense of being a decent individual.

BTW: What offence did those pesky Igbo's commit to justify the killings that took place before and after the war?

__________________
Etsu Nupe of Great Britain Via NVS!
Bunch17 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2009 , 09:25 PM   # 12 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



NOTE TO SELF:

Stay far off threads like this.

Auspicious.

Auspicious is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2009 , 11:16 PM   # 13 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Originally Posted by abdulmumin View Post
The world would be incomplete without creatures of your type.
Creatures of what type?

Just reading the article pasted below today. Does throw more perspective on Islam and its adherents.....


Two years after teacher was burnt dead by her pupils in Gombe, justice remains a pipe-dream

By Dada Aladelokun Published Today News Rating: Unrated


It's been 24 clear months of anguish! Naked tragedy waltzed through the hitherto peaceful home. The familial fold belonged to the Oluwasesins, and before one could say Jack Robinson - precisely on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - when her mother, Deaconess Grace Adeboyejo, was presumably expecting another goody from her cherished daughter from far-away Gombe, where she was as a teacher, Christiana Oluwatosin Oluwasesin, a nursing mother, became a sudden money-spinner for grave diggers and ever-hungry undertakers who had her corpse to feast on!

God, only Him knows what would be going on in the mind of Christiana's mother on May 29, 2009. It was the day of the nation was marking the 10th anniversary of democracy. In fact, since that black day in 2007, the agony in her heart has remained too crippling for her ageing body to carry!

It was the day Christiana who, for trying to stand out in a society bedevilled with screaming moral bankruptcy, paid with her dear life. She was killed in cold blood by the same pupils whose lives she was sweating daily to shape up.

The woman was in the pay-roll of the Gombe State Government as a teacher at the Government Day Secondary School, Gandu, Gombe. It was a Muslim school.

Besides the teaching commission, she was the discipline mistress of the school. She had tendered her resignation on March 21 same year, but sadly, she was murdered the day that was to be her last at the school. Reason: She was ready to join her husband, Michael Oluwafemi Oluwasesin, who had secured a job appointment at the Federal Medical Centre, Abeokuta, Ogun State. Michael was to pick her from Gandu in the last week of the "wicked" month to become the administrative secretary of the same health institution.

As usual, she reported at her duty post on the black Wednesday for her final official duty as an invigilator for the then end-of-term examination. The school had decided that a Christian teacher would invigilate the Islamic Religious Knowledge papers for the Senior Secondary 1, while a Muslim to invigilate the Christian Religious Knowledge ones. She distributed the question papers and so, the paper began. A few minutes into the session, she smelt a fraud by Fatsuma, a female student. She was allegedly copying answers from a book concealed in a newspaper. The spirit of honesty in her prompted her to do what she thought was just: confiscating the newspaper and its offensive contents. Curiously, slips of paper containing Arabic writings floated to the floor. Alas; they were pages of the Hadith and Qu'ran.

But unknown to the patriotic woman, she had fiddled with the cobra's head. The entire female students began to chant Allahu Ahkbar! Allahu Ahkbar! Pandemonium gripped the whole compound as other students joined the fray.

Embattled Christiana would not wait to be confronted by the ensuing danger. She promptly reported the incident to the school's principal, Mallam Sadiq Mohammed. She also informed her husband on phone about the development. The troubled husband would not have a sound sleep with raging fire on his roof; he promptly alerted a friend in the Gombe metropolis and the latter stormed the school premises with uniformed policemen. However, his efforts held no water. The principal assured that everything was under control.

After the policemen's departure, the Muslim students mobilized a huge crowd and demanded Christiana's release to them by the principal. When threatened that his office would be burnt, the principal was forced to release Christiana to face the "mob judgement." The helpless principal could only look on in horror as the students manhandled her.

Even the worst recidivist armed robber, if caught, would not suffer the physical assault meted to the innocent woman: With a rope, the students tied her neck to her legs in a shocking fashion. She was stripped naked. While some went to burn her car, others beat her black and blue. She was killed and then set ablaze. The mob then headed towards the house where her 10-month-old baby was usually kept. The intention was to also send the baby into an early grave.

Providence, however, saved the infant. Someone had run ahead of the evil kids to alert the household. A woman was then persuaded to hurriedly wear a hijab and conceal the baby under it. The baby was taken to safety through the mob. But the man who hatched the deal by alerting the household would never do it again in his life; he got the pounding of his life and was eventually hospitalized at the Federal Medical Centre, Gombe.

While the state government set up a panel of inquiry on the matter, the remains of the late Christiana were buried on March 24, 2007 in Abeokuta, Ogun State. It was singular ordeal Michael will not forget for a long time to come. He had received an emergency phone call from his wife around 9.00 am that day, informing him that her life was in danger owing to the turmoil in the school. For Michael, calls started coming in later in the day, inviting him to come over to Gombe. In the process, the reality of the gruelling killing of his sweetheart dawned on him.

The next day, he left Abeokuta for Gombe to find the burnt remains of his wife in the morgue of the Federal Medical Centre. The bereaved family's pastor in Gombe, Rev. Abraham Akanmu of the Evangel Chapel, reportedly accompanied the corpse to the final rites in Abeokuta. The Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN), Gombe Chapter, later declared a three-day fasting and prayers for the repose of the woman's soul, while markets were shut for two days in protest against the killing. The Gombe CAN later raised N136,000 to lift the family.

Twelve suspects, unconfirmed reports hinted, were later arrested in connection with the matter. They were tried and sentenced to various jail terms, and that seemed to signal the end of the case as far as government was concerned.

Her husband has since been left with the rigorous responsibility of caring for their two children - then three-year-old Temilade and 10-month-old Emmanuel as well as living with the heartache of the experience. The late Christiana, who got married four years earlier, was just 31 then.

Will the woman be killed just like that? What if tomorrow, another group of evil children repeat that? Is it a crime for a woman to serve her fatherland and make honest effort to instil discipline and justice in the system? Shouldn't the government take this matter very seriously so that tomorrow, the mind-boggling event does not repeat itself? These are among the posers which agitated the mind of Reverend Ladi Thompson, the national coordinator, Macedonian Initiative (MI), a world-renowned humanitarian body, which has since gone the whole hog to seek justice for the embittered Oluwasesins.

"For the fact that the woman loved her husband who had a meritorious national youth service in the state, she found her way to the same Gombe State in 2001 to do her NYSC. She was later to begin work there; only to be that callously murdered," troubled Thompson once told this reporter.

The fellow feeling in Thompson, the Pastor-in-Charge of Living Waters Unlimited, would henceforth, not allow him renege on his pledge to help the helpless Oluwasesins find justice at any cost. While Deaconess Adeboyejo, as would perhaps be presumed, took the agony to God, Thompson and his group took it to the court of law in Yola through the professional assistance of P.A Akubo, a Senior Advocate of Nigeria (SAN) whom the MI had hired through the Christian Lawyers' Association of Nigeria (CLAN), to fight the case.

Sure, you would wonder, why Yola, why not Gombe? Given the tension in the state and the presumedbiases of the government, the MI must have reasoned that it would take the involvement of the Creator of the Universe to get justice in Gombe.

The suit numbered FHC/YL/CS/4/08 was filed in the Federal High Court, Yola between Michael Oluwasesin and his two children as applicants and Gombe State government, the state's Attorney-General and Commissioner of Police as respondents.

The suit had, among other things, sought an order compelling the state government to tender unreserved public apology to the bereaved applicants "for the unjust killing of their wife and mother." It also sought a mandatory order compelling the state government to take over the training of the younger Oluwasesins up to the university or first degree level in well established institutions of learning approved by Michael at the expense of the government.

At long last, after the legal fireworks fuelled by counter applications by the respondents, the Judge, Hon. Justice S.M Shuaibu, in his judgment dated November 11, 2008, declined jurisdiction on the matter. Hence, he transferred it to the High Court, Gombe "for further hearing and determination," though, "with no order at to cost."

"Could the case of that teacher killed by her students in Gombe have been swept under the carpet in the tradition of this country?" This reporter asked himself early in the week and made to find out from Thompson if the cheated ghost of the woman would have to cry for justice till kingdom come.

Thompson's voice and gesticulations bore thick pain and pity for the family when asked to speak on the goings-on as regards the matter. It was at his Anthony, Lagos office. Ostensibly at his wit's end, he took a thoughtful look into this reporter's eyes and exclaimed after an earthshaking sigh, "God, this country!"

"Please, read this," he muttered in low agonised voice as he handed the 18-page judgment of Hon. Justice Shuaibu over to the reporter. Thompson then added about the judgment: "I have always maintained that the spirit of God must, one day, sweep through this country and instil in us, the spirit to attach values for human lives. It was the Gombe government that kicked against the case in Yola; now, how can we get justice under the same government in Gombe? I make bold to say that there is a very powerful network out there with Kaduna as a base that is out to frustrate our efforts on this matter and suchlike matters. The network has been monitoring our efforts and trying to frustrate us," he lamented.

To buttress that, he recalled: "When, in the wake of this struggle, one of our men who had gone to Gombe on a fact-finding mission was nearly killed while attempting to take the picture of the late woman's burnt car on a fence. It was God that saved him. This is part of what we are talking about, but we remain undaunted."

Recounting his group's efforts so far on the issue, angry Thompson said: "We have spent close to N10 million fighting this cause and trying to ensure that it does not happen again. On September 22, 2007, we despatched a letter to the Senate President on this matter; nothing happened. Apart from erecting about eight billboards to sensitise Nigerians on the case, we have organised countless meetings with lawyers in particular, seminars and made various representations in and outside the country. Such efforts have also taken the woman's husband abroad. We printed innumerable pamphlets which were distributed to even federal lawmakers and all churches in the country. In a bid ti find facts to handle our case, we have travelled to Gombe many times over and such trips cost money. For the matter, we also opened two websites which we have since been maintaining all because we want justice done. It is not even about the money we have spent, it is about having justice done and seeing to it that such an incident does not happen again."

Thompson seethed with fury borne out of disappointment when asked for the efforts the Christian leadership had made on the matter. "The Oluwasesins' matter is a matter that should have caused sleepless nights for the Christian leaders in the country; but no, they have carried on as if nothing happened. It is sad. What the MI is doing today ought to be the Christian leadership's pre-occupation because things not as serious as that could snowball into full-blown religious crisis," he bemoaned.

Though he admitted that the whole body of the Bishop John Onaiyekn-led CAN had tried its best on the issue, when asked by the reporter, how much money the body had contributed to prosecuting it, the activist cleric simply answered: "nothing!" Then, he blew hot: "How many men of God have visited the slain woman's mother or called her to sympathise with her since the matter happened? I can only mention the Gombe CAN chairman. This is not how things should be."

"Then, how did you get the money you have been spending on the matter?" The reporter queried him. His response: "I have been spending from my personal purse and the contribution of a few friends who believe in the cause. I always pray that God continues to reward them and widen the coast of their prosperity."

How has Christiana's mother weathered the storm since the sudden loss of her family's breadwinner two years ago? She nearly burst into tears when the reporter asked her this question. "My son, it has not been easy coping with the reality of the death of my daughter who was everything to me. God has remained my most loyal companion because the pain is too much for me. Morning, afternoon and evening, I'm now in the church. And every morning, my pastors will visit me to join me in prayers for God to fill the vacuum for me in His own way," she said.

"I'm indebted to Rev. Ladi Thompson for his efforts so far in ensuring that the killers of my daughter do not go scot-free. His group has done a lot and God will pay him back in Jesus' name," she added.

__________________
Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak

“The most immediate source of the disconnect between Nigeria’s wealth and its poverty is a failure of governance at (all) levels….Lack of transparency and accountability has eroded the legitimacy of the government and contributed to the rise of groups that embrace violence and reject the authority of the state” – Mrs. Hilary Clinton
iamgod is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2009 , 11:27 PM   # 14 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Originally Posted by maikanodahiru View Post
Thanks Nurain,
Main proble with NVS is generalization. I believe there are good and bad muslims.All muslims should not be held accountable for atrocities of the few bad ones. When a muslim is killed in Onisha,it is nothing,but if a christian is killed in Kano it becomes a story. The igbos started it by killing Ahmadu Bello, Balewa ,Akintola and Kur Mohammed and Brig Maimalari.I cannot say then all igbos are killers.The Hausa say "a crime is like a hill, you climb on your own and view other people's own".
I can bet my life that if a muslim is killed in Onitsha, it wont be because of his religion, or that someone made ridicule of the virgin mary in far away australia or iceland.

If y'all religious bigots stop to take note, many of the comments on this thread are not against muslims, who are your ordinary everyday folk, but against the dictates and tenets of Islam.

__________________
Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak

“The most immediate source of the disconnect between Nigeria’s wealth and its poverty is a failure of governance at (all) levels….Lack of transparency and accountability has eroded the legitimacy of the government and contributed to the rise of groups that embrace violence and reject the authority of the state” – Mrs. Hilary Clinton
iamgod is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Thanked by: Agidimolaja
Old Jun 14, 2009 , 09:05 AM   # 15 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Agidimolaja,
My response to Eire was based on the need for a genuine intellectual engagement as offered on the platform of Nigerian Village Square, which I believe, was partly, the purpose of the forum itself.
On reading your response, I was tempted not to react. Not because there is nothing to say on the myriad of issues you have raised, which Moh Haruna and if am not mistaken, Dr Tilde (sorry, i do not have the real date of the said publications, but they were published by Daily Trust and i think, Leadership) had cause to write, especially on the Gombe issue. Not necessarily in defence of the action of the student’s (which in any way was indefensible) but rather, in addressing the context of the issue.
Let put the record straight, when I wrote Eire, I did on the assumption that the purpose was intellectual and therefore, capable of enriching ourselves and of course, many others. My standpoint is and has always been, never to engage in hurling invectives or fowl language at belief(s) held by any other person. But what I saw in your response, especially with your use of certain derogatory adjectives, was an attempt to take the matter too far, which to me, was taking the matter beyond what it was meant to be, intellectual discourse.
This and, given my background, am restrained to seek for one thing, a refuge against the use of foul language against you or any other person. I rest my case and hope you have a nice day.

Abubakar Ahmed is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Thanked by: Agidimolaja
Old Jun 14, 2009 , 12:18 PM   # 16 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



One of the atrocities committed by mallams/northern nigerian muslims

Bloodshed at Nigerian university
17 November 1995

Tunde Fatunde, Lagos and Vera Rich
The Ahmadu Bello University in Zaria, Nigeria's largest higher education establishment, has been closed following the murder of Bamidele Bandipo, director of the university's teaching hospital.

Angry workers belonging to the local branch of the Medical and Health Workers' Union of Nigeria assassinated Professor Bandipo, who was chairman of the medical directors of all the university teaching hospitals in the country.

They went into the clinic while he was attending patients, demanding the payment of arrears of wages and allowances, which were several months overdue.

When Professor Bandipo promised to pay as soon as the money became available, the workers dragged him out of his office, beat him and attacked him with knives. He was put inside the boot of a car. His attackers then took him into the university mortuary, dumped him and destroyed the cooling system so that his corpse decomposed rapidly.

Daniel Saro, the university's rector, ordered its closure. Students who had completed their examinations were told to vacate their hostels immediately. The rest were allowed to remain until after they had taken their last papers.

Professor Saro then went into hiding. Recently a small group of student activists and university employees had called for his immediate dismissal. Professor Saro apparently feared that his critics might follow the hospital workers' example, and murder him too.

"We wish to state in very emphatic and unequivocal terms that there is no security whatsoever on our university campus. All we have is anarchy and lawlessness," declared grief-stricken Damsa Justin Terris, secretary general of the students' union. More than 40 members of the union will be charged with murder.
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.u...sectioncode=26


A Muslim fundamentalist group known as the Northern Elements Coalition declared it would try to remove Professor Saror, who it accused of "removing northerners from responsible positions and replacing them with Yorubas and filling the university council with southerners.

"This state of war has been forced on us. We will not lose this war," declared a press statement. The coalition swore to attack members of rival ethnic groupings


Meanwhile virtually all the foreign lecturers, mostly from Sudan, India, Bangladesh and Pakistan, have resigned and left Nigeria because "life and property are no longer safe in ABU", said one who had spent more than 20 years there.

Lecturers originally from the southern part of Nigeria are applying to universities in the south. Even if ABU's infrastructure is rebuilt there will be acute staff shortages. Many lecturers will find it difficult to work with a career soldier as the head of the university.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.u...sectioncode=26

mathelize is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 14, 2009 , 04:23 PM   # 17 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Originally Posted by Abubakar Ahmed View Post
Agidimolaja,
My response to Eire was based on the need for a genuine intellectual engagement as offered on the platform of Nigerian Village Square, which I believe, was partly, the purpose of the forum itself.
On reading your response, I was tempted not to react. Not because there is nothing to say on the myriad of issues you have raised, which Moh Haruna and if am not mistaken, Dr Tilde (sorry, i do not have the real date of the said publications, but they were published by Daily Trust and i think, Leadership) had cause to write, especially on the Gombe issue. Not necessarily in defence of the action of the student’s (which in any way was indefensible) but rather, in addressing the context of the issue.
Let put the record straight, when I wrote Eire, I did on the assumption that the purpose was intellectual and therefore, capable of enriching ourselves and of course, many others. My standpoint is and has always been, never to engage in hurling invectives or fowl language at belief(s) held by any other person. But what I saw in your response, especially with your use of certain derogatory adjectives, was an attempt to take the matter too far, which to me, was taking the matter beyond what it was meant to be, intellectual discourse.
This and, given my background, am restrained to seek for one thing, a refuge against the use of foul language against you or any other person. I rest my case and hope you have a nice day.

I would rather engage in indecent motor-park and fowl langauge hurling invectives on people on the internat than slaughter fellow human beings like sallah rams.

Tamuno is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Thanked by: Agidimolaja
Old Jun 14, 2009 , 07:14 PM   # 18 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Very interesting knee-jerkery on this thread. Pavlov wasted his time with dogs. He should have being patient and waited for the Internet to be invented. What a fine and humour-filled thesis he could have written!!

Here, we have previously seen some bewailing the absence of 'reasonable' Muslims who will engage in dialog with the more "I will chop off your gogongo" inclined 'jihadists'. So, one shows up, writes what is in fact, an admonition to those of his brethren who are misusing modern communications (to mis-inform and inflame emotions) to desist and, what do we have as responses?

Curses and WWF-level diabolic incantations from various pained souls whose disturbed slumbers must have been interrupted by the loud ululations from that buzzer in the computer which they had previously installed and programmed to go off whenever someone posted anything with the words "Islam" or "Muslim" in the title...

Chei!! We are a funny people. No doubt about that.

__________________
"Black Man, you are on your own." - Steve Biko (1946 - 1977)

Ki a wa omi ti a fi pa oungbe ki a to wa emu ti a fi se faaji.

"The lesser evil is still an evil." - Unknown

"Money is only worth what other people will give for it." - Niall Ferguson

"If its free, I'll take two." -
Eja is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 15, 2009 , 04:15 AM   # 19 (permalink)
Default Re: Muslims And The Internet: What Manner Of Messengers?



Abubakar Ahmed sir,

Facts cannot be denied!

Facts that I presented in response to your posting are genuine intellectual engagement that you said you are looking for. What then stopped you from genuine intellectual engagement? Should intellectual engagement not be based upon facts that cannot be denied?
Thank you anyway, for confirming to other readers that, facts are hard to deny by your being unable to speak further on this matter while the battle has not even started.
It is evidenced that I already left you and your chicken mates with no leg to stand in defense of your outdated religion.
Sincere greetings!

Agidimolaja is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Comment

Bookmarks

Tags
internet, manner, messengers, muslims

Article Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:13 PM.

Services : E-mail news | RSS Feeds | Podcasts
Links:   About the NVS | Contact Us | Terms of Use | Privacy & Cookies | Advertise With Us
All Rights Reserved. NigeriaVillageSquare.com





Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0
Integrated by BBPixel ©2003-2009, jvbPlugin

Article powered by GARS 2.1.9 ©2005-2006