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Old Mar 13, 2008 , 09:17 PM   # 1 (permalink)
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Many adults definitely and very often cross the thin line bet...Read the full article.
Nigeria as a country has to make laws to stop all forms of corporal punishment in our schools and even our home. It is primitive to always use force and intimidation to convey our displeasures. This violence should be nipped in the bud as soon as possible, to curtail our penchant to the use of force in the larger society.

Evidence of this abnormally can be seen in all faucets of our society with violence to children and women increasing over the years. It is therefore time to pass a law that will make it a misdemeanor or felony, depending on the degree of physical damage inflicted on a person. It is even worse to hear that students use Cain on fellow students.

Use of force and intimidation to gain control is what brooding ground to higher forms of treachery and violence, as can be witnessed in our Political system as well as other institutions that are supposed to teach leadership.

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Old Mar 14, 2008 , 02:26 AM   # 2 (permalink)
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Nigeria as a country has to make laws to stop all forms of corporal punishment in our schools and even our home. It is primitive to always use force and intimidation to convey our displeasures. This violence should be nipped in the bud as soon as possible, to curtail our penchant to the use of force in the larger society.

Evidence of this abnormally can be seen in all faucets of our society with violence to children and women increasing over the years. It is therefore time to pass a law that will make it a misdemeanor or felony, depending on the degree of physical damage inflicted on a person. It is even worse to hear that students use Cain on fellow students.

Use of force and intimidation to gain control is what brooding ground to higher forms of treachery and violence, as can be witnessed in our Political system as well as other institutions that are supposed to teach leadership.



Well said Nwanzi. When I was in boarding school, I knew a couple of junior girls who gave it as good as they got it including me. I took a lot of crap from seniors at first, but when I realized that most times there was no logical reason for the truancy of seniors (it appeared they were just punishment happy and handed out punishments on a whim), I started standing up for myself. Realized that if a senior told me to kneel down and I refused long enough they would give up. If they had escalated the situation past this point, I would have probabley got my revenge my sticking scorpions in their bed or something.
Let's stop the oppression before those little, cane wielding brats become big, corrupt, embezzling dictators and politicians!

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Old Mar 14, 2008 , 03:44 AM   # 3 (permalink)
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I guess we should distinguish between "child abuse" and "child correction" vis-a-vis the use of a cane.
Correction is aimed and modifying a child's behavior, using the cane to achieve such purpose, is not always required and MUST be a last option but all the same, its an option that is open and should remain open.
Lets not get too sentimental about it. My Mum (she was a teacher from day one till she retired after 36years in service!) was the one who applies the cane and today, when l reflect on certain things l had done and she wielded the stick, l thank god that she wasn't one of those parents that would shirk their responsibility and later cry foul. I benefited from her cane BUT not all children need to be caned. Canning should not be the norm and if you have to use it, ENSURE that you explain to the child FIRST, why the cane is the only option left.

I remember the first day my son took money from my purse, without my permission (its a long story but l will summarize). He enrolled in a new school and made new friends who influenced his behavior negatively. I verbally scolded him seriously and let him know that all he needed to do was ask and if l think its right, l will give him. He promised not to do so again.

I later discovered that he repeated the offense again and even lied when l confronted him. I showed him the remaining left-over change (went through his school bag).
That day, l was so mad and so angry that in his presence, l busted into tears (never cried in the last 25 years that l can remember, except when l lost my dear Mum), the sorrow was so deep because he was my eldest son and l respect him so much.

After relieving myself of my pain and anger (the tears did that for me) l took him into my room, sat him down and "thrashed him with words". I told him l love him but l was going to cane him because he has failed to abide by our initial agreement: that he would not ever take anything thats not his. I took pains to explain to him that the "pain of the cane" was to be a reminder to him. With love and care, l caned him, he cried and l cried also. Afterwards, l cuddled him on my laps and we discussed the whole event then, he asked me why l was crying when l was not the one being caned and l told him that "it saddens me" and pains me, to see him suffer pain. I made him understand that l do not derive any pleasure from canning him, l just wanted him to be MY SON, someone to make me proud.

Till today, years after, my son has grown up to be somebody am so proud of, his wisdom and sense of value is far beyond his age. The best in his class, a medic to be in future, very caring, intuitive and each time l read the letter l made him write (still stuck on my wall till today: l promise Daddy and Mummy to be a good boy; and he signed it with his name!) back then, after his canning, l just smile. If he annoys me, l just call him and make him read "his promise", he will apologize and am sure that issue will no come up, for a long time but you know, we are all humans and imperfect
As long as you love your child and want the best for him, as long as you understand that canning must never be done when you're angry, that the child must understand why such extreme step needs to be taken, that canning is for correction and not for punishment and that you are dealing with a child and not one "incurable adult criminal" and you pray for, and along with your child, the issue of child abuse should not arise.
You cannot and should not abuse that which you love.
Its better if you can avoid the cane and still get the same result. Children are different, even when of the same parents, situations differ. A "child" is not mature enough to correct by canning, another child.
In all, never loose your self-control; Anger is madness, dont ever correct a child in anger.
As problematic as the Nigerian society is, despite all the avoidable stress, our children still respect and honor their parents much more than the western society we try to emulate.
What do you think?
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Old Mar 14, 2008 , 05:42 PM   # 4 (permalink)
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My Dear Mutti,

You have written well. Corporal punishment is one issue that education managers in Nigeria have to tackle with the urgency it deserves. And to capture students dishing it out to fellow students in camera is the lowest point of it all. No wonder Nigeria is hesistant to pass the bill on the Rights of the Child in spite of the inherent benefits therein for the Nigerian child. I pity the leaders of our tomorrow

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Old Mar 14, 2008 , 06:26 PM   # 5 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by 10Kobo View Post
I guess we should distinguish between "child abuse" and "child correction" vis-a-vis the use of a cane.
Correction is aimed and modifying a child's behavior, using the cane to achieve such purpose, is not always required and MUST be a last option but all the same, its an option that is open and should remain open.
It is beautiful how you handled/solved your Son's juvenile delinquency at home, and will recommend it to all parents with school age children.

However, the subject is about child abuse in our schools disguised as disciplinary actions being mated out by principals, teachers, and prefects. Our boarding schools have become a training ground for all sorts of criminal violent behaviors.

Why should children be allowed to use Cain on other children?
Why should children be whipped for being a tad late to school?
Why should children be made to kneel down for hours?
Why do we use these ineffective and primordial means of correction?

If you read Nigerian newspapers, you will attest to how the vicious cycle of violence sticks out. THE ARMED ROBBERS, RITUAL KILLINGS, CHILD MOLESTERS, STREET HAWKER, AREA BOYS, BUS DRIVERS/GUARDS, KIDNAPPERS, POLITICAL THUGS.

Violence has become the number one option instead of the last resort.

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Old Mar 15, 2008 , 12:28 AM   # 6 (permalink)
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Nwanza,
a few response.
Why should children be allowed to use Cain on other children?
Answer: Never, they are not matured enough to draw the line between "abuse and correction". The blind cannot lead another blind. Some Teachers are not even 'maturely-qualified' to even do so! Maturity of the mind and soul is what is implied here, not of age.

Why should children be whipped for being a tad late to school?
Answer: Never; it is not necessary, there are other ways of motivating children to come early to school. The parents are actually the culprit here and should be held responsible for such lateness. You ensure they sleep on time and wake-up with enough time for bath, dress-up and breakfast and off to school they go.

Why should children be made to kneel down for hours?
Answer: Never; this qualifies as an "Abuse". It cannot achieve any desired objective and its just plain ignorance and wickedness. You solve a problem by looking at the cause. In my son's example above, l actually realized that his delinquency was due to bad association, l ensured he does not hob-nob with those boys and l also informed the parents of the boys so they can also do the 'needful' concerning their own ward. I also informed their Teacher in class so she can also keep an eye on all of them.

Why do we use these ineffective and primordial means of correction?
Answer: if the "use of cane" is what you refer to as 'primordial', l will respectfully opine that you are wrong. Being as old as the Religious books does not take away from its effectiveness. The Christian Ten commandments, despite being ancient, if religiously followed, is enough to cater for all human tribulations we face today but l guess its not the "rules" that are the problem, its how we "interpret and apply" them, that present challenges.

The generalization that 'canning is bad or evil or is an abuse' is what l totally disagree with. Whether we like it or not, the precepts in all religious books, be it Christian, Islamic, Buddhism, e.t.c are written from inspiration.
For the one l am familiar with, the Bible says "Teach your Child, (early in life) and he would give you rest (later in life) italics mine.
Further to sayings are "Spare the rod, and spoil the child". 'Sparing the rod' is not akin to 'abusing the child' and is never intended as an excuse to maltreat a defenseless and vulnerable little creature, even if it came to the world through you.

It goes further to say "Fathers, do not exasperate your children, instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord" (Ephesians 6:4)
Am no preacher but l think if all Parents adhere to this simple principle, the issue of child abuse or wife abuse for that matter, may not arise at all.
Cheers & Thanks.
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Old Jun 10, 2009 , 05:23 AM   # 7 (permalink)
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I beg to differ on the matter that children do not respect their parents as much as the children in Nigeria. I am a youngster myself... I don't understand what part of flogging is beneficial to a child like myself. Children are molded into the person they become by their surroundings completely. I have noticed that my pairs skating partner is exactly like her mother with view deviations. Her mother wants her to change and be a different person, yet it was her who shaped her daughter into the person she currently is... stubborn, spoiled, and parcially ignorant. Please excuse my language, but I believe that if the parents have the balls to do so they can resist the temptations to physically punish their children. In my case I had a very happy mother in my elementary school days and a very negative father whom I have been able to shape into a good man like my kind mother over the past 8 years (more than half my life!). Anyways, I am just trying to say that a child will imitate their parents no matter what (saying of course that they are living with their parents). I understand that your child turned into a great man, but I doubt that was from the flogging that was from your own personal aura that you influenced him with. I believe that children succeed when they are influenced to simply make their parents happy with the person that they are becoming. Please accept my appology for going against your beliefs, but please also consider the possibility that children should simply not be physically punished.

I came to this forum because I was given an assignment to research corporal punishment. Please respond, I am interested to hear other peoples' views on any matter.

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Old Jul 3, 2009 , 12:52 AM   # 8 (permalink)
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Dear Skater,
Sorry that there was no response on your "position" for a long time.
In my own capacity, l was off the internet for sometime because l needed to "kill" a re-certification exam in the shortest possible time (old people exam no easy!)

I am particularly interested in contributing/replying to you since it may help you in your assignment and it may also enlighten you, from a different perspective.

Now, l gather from your post that you're around 15-16yrs of age.
To make it brief, l will take it "in summary".

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I don't understand what part of flogging is beneficial to a child like myself
Depends on "what kind of of child you are"?
Well-behaved and obedient to instructions?
or Recalcitrant, belligerent and rebellious to parental instructions? You be the judge!

No "child" ever wants to 'understand' what part of flogging is beneficial, if any at all!...just like "adult offenders" can never come to accept that a "correctional institution" could be of any benefit to them.
Until we all move out of the "wicked-punishment-mode", we might find it difficult to see or appreciate that some got "born-again" in a "prison", some started and graduated in the prison, some learnt new skills in prison, something they found difficult to do when they were "free". Imprisonment, is "time-off", like time to "meditate" and see yourself "outside yourself" (for an adults only).
When the need arises, "mild" caning is also a period of reflection for a child who has repeatedly being disobedient.
When a child decides to become "verbally uncontrollable", then its time to "step-up" the game. Its the duty of parents to positively "mold" their ward's behavior, in their formative years
Children are molded into the person they become by their surroundings completely
Exactly, and that "surrounding" encompasses so many things, not least of all, is the "Parents behavior" (what the Parents themselves do, that the child sees, daily!). As l stated and showed in my earlier post, "Peer Influence and Peer Pressure" also molds a child's behavior, mostly negatively (smoking and drug usage ((like l smoke because my friends do the same or they say 'its cool'!)), gangsterism, outright rebellion to any form of parental guidance!allergy to doing home work and assignments,..).

"Culture" also plays a vital role in character molding (dont know to which culture you belong) but whether we like it or not, there are certain "norms and values" in every culture that are there for 'societal stability' but their impact may be best suited to the environment for which they are instituted.
Example, in Nigeria, the "fathers word" is law in the household and that, as l see it, is intended to bring stability into the family hierarchy (not to be abused). Even now, when my children disagree amongst themselves, they "know and trust " that they can rely on my "judgment" as the final arbiter - and l will not fail them, in words and in deeds!

In "Western culture", it is not generally the same story, a child is "encouraged" to call "911" for the Parent(s) or even "arrest him" with law enforcement!, this is an anathema in our own culture (marry this along with the other pronunciations in my earlier posts, like where l specified how parents must not "exasperate their children") but checks and balances have been put in place through the "communal family system" to ensure that 'errant parent(s)' are also put-in-check by "older and wiser" members of the parental lineage; everyone differs to an older/elderly person.
I beg to differ on the matter that children do not respect their parents as much as the children in Nigeria.
This may not necessarily be true since there are no hard facts (reliable statistics) to use in coming to that conclusion but having said that, "mere observations' of daily occurrence and reports in the news media seems to tilt opinion in that direction (children shooting parents, slapping parents, parents arresting their child, child and parent appearing before a judge: Judge Judy!, number of parents with "alive and economically viable" children living in "Care Homes", children who wake-up and dont bother to say "good morning to their parents", e.t.c)
These are things you would not find, (generally speaking) among children of Nigerian Parents, living in Nigeria.
Am not saying Nigerian children dont have their own fair-share of childhood vices, especially of recent when the "economic hardship" and tendency to 'wholesale copy', the Western culture,is gradually eroding any remaining form of "family values".
Its just that on the face of it, semi-statistically, the disrespect, as we perceive it, dont come near what we have in the western world.
It's not the "norm" here as parents are expected to be "Parents", not some Pedophile adult who imprisons his daughter for over two decades and fathers children by her!

but I believe that if the parents have the balls to do so they can resist the temptations to physically punish their children
Its not about "balls" (and l pardon your use of that word) as you put it and if it is actually about "balls" then, it takes a "parent with 'balls' to actually cane a child you love, with all the self-control, so as to avoid 'child-abuse'"... since that amounts to a kind of "self-punishment" - unlike the parent of your skating partner!
Abdicating your "parental responsibility", some of which are even scriptural (Teach your child when he is young...and he will give you rest in your old age is succinct in this case), is 'lacking "balls"'........but l guess you mean "self control" when you used the phrase?
"Infusing discipline" in your child is also not "a temptation" since its not like you want to do something evil and you want to blame the devil for it, afterwards! :d
Its a conscious decision that a parent must take in sober reflection (remember l said parent should not "cane" their children when in anger?)
Parents that stand-by idly and watch their children turn into a "disgrace" are the ones that lack "self-control and motivation" and are generally "weak" in parenting.

Anyways, I am just trying to say that a child will imitate their parents no matter what
A child will imitate not just their parent but also their friends, classmates, pals, Music and Film stars, Sport hero, e.t.c! in this internet age!
So, "bad influence" can easily 'slip' in and its the duty of the "Mother Hen" to be on the look-out for those 'eagles in the sky'! (have you ever seen a "live" Mother-Hen do her child-rearing? If you have not, then take a trip to Nigeria and experience it yourself, and then imagine what is expected of a "human" Mother-Hen :d )

I understand that your child turned into a great man, but I doubt that was from the flogging that was from your own personal aura that you influenced him with
He is not yet "a man" :d
....I would deceive myself if l thought it was just the 'flogging' (oh dear, that sounds so cruel)!
The 'cane' was used very sparingly, at times, maybe not even once in a whole year! (it was mostly the "threat of using it" that did the trick!).
I did mention a "combination of actions" in my post upstairs, that assisted in getting the desired results and no need to repeat them here.
The cane or mostly the threat of it, only assisted in very dire circumstance. Mostly, it boils down to making your children feel they can trust you, that you love them, that you will always be there for them, that no matter what, "nothing is beyond discussion", between you and them and that "the cane" is not an instrument of oppression but rather, a last option at correction!

please also consider the possibility that children should simply not be physically punished.
I did highlight in my earlier post that
1. Children are different and thus will respond to correction in different ways.
2. Parents should know that different situations deserve different type and severity of "correctional modes". As a kid too, l know that there are times when "verbal dress-down" is more painful than the cane so, that possibility is always there but only that it can not and must not be generalized, as you are suggesting.
"Spare the rod and spoil the child" was stated long before me and you came around this world and like the Bible stated the "sphericity of the earth" long before man discovered it, its "injunctions" are very practical and desirable (of-course, if you dont believe the Bible as "inspired" or God's word, all these might not mean much to you)
If God lays out punishment for "unrepentant sinners" (and rewards the reverse), if the Govt punishes offending adults, why do you think children deserve exclusion from some form of "physical correction"?
Other forms of correction also apply, like "deprivational tactics" :d
Example, "No XBox or Nintendo Wii" for the next 3days, You're grounded for the next three hours, e.t.c ...as a parent, you try from the mildest of these and move-on to the more severe ones, depending on the "response" of the child in question but one thing l have learnt is that, "kekere l'ati pekun Iroko, t'oba dagba tan, apa o'niika!" :d
In English, literally translates "It is easier to handle the Iroko tree, as a "young shoot", when its fully grown, its massiveness is beyond handling!"
.....whatever discipline you inculcate into your child, growing-up, determines how easy those "rebellious-adolescent" years are going to be for both of you, parent and child.

Okay, we all hate any form of physical (corrections), but the very nature of man is "sinful" (and that includes children, ...read "sinful" as "disobedient", for children :d) thus, "rules and consequences" have to be set, in any ...and for any society, not to do so is to us turn to "human nature" (Anarchy!)

Cheers and take care.
My 10Kobo

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I'm not a bad guy! I work hard, and I love my kids. So why should I spend half my Sunday hearing about how I'm going to Hell?
..."No one means all he says, and yet very few say all they mean, for words are slippery and thought is so viscous"
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No one has the right to use corporal punishment as a correctional method on children or adults. The high number/level of brutality In our society can be traced to the excessive use of brutality that they call corporal punishment…… We should learn to have dialogue with children and not criminalize them.

I have never used corporal punishment on my children and I find them most respectful and confident.

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