American Race-Relations Regressing

This week has been very difficult in race relations in America. Racism was part of America's past...Read the full article.

[truthsayer33]

Paul,thank you for your write up.
If only our wonderful leaders would protest the brutal treatment of African Americans by the white power structure, when they meet George Bush.
The problem of course is that we brutalise and lynch in Nigeria too.
I look forward to any observations you have on the position of the Native Americans.

[Celticologist]

"Clearly, it is obvious to even a fleeting observer that a majority in white America, including high profile trial and defense lawyers who ought to know better, are still seeking Mr. Simpson’s blood, in the murder, by unknown persons, of Nicole Brown-Simpson and Ron Goldman over ten years ago. It will be recalled, that Mr. Simpson was tried and duly acquitted by a jury of his peers.


Unknown persons?. Well, duly acquitted because smooth Johny Cochran did a good job to make OJ feel like he didn't do it.

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by Celticologist

"Unknown persons?. Well, duly acquitted because smooth Johny Cochran did a good job to make OJ feel like he didn't do it.

Yes, UKNOWN PERSONS, Celticologist!!!! That is what the Court System said and so shall it be! Did the glove which the law said was used to commit the murder fit? DID IT FIT the accused???

The answer is a resounding NO!

So, deal with it, man - unless you actually saw O.J. commit that murder, he stands innocent of the accusations.

The Government had its chance to argue that he did, wether rightly or wongly, and it failed at it. Hence the man is innocent.

Case Closed - GBAM!

Auspicious.

[Auspicious]

Hi, Mr. Adujie!

I feel your annoyance at the Fox News "bloviator" called Bill O'Reilly. He is one of the few arrogant, jaundiced people out there who unfortunately have been privileged to find a Medium through which they propagate their ignorance for the listening and viewing pleasure other ignoramuses and narrow-minded bigots out there across America.

But care must be taken not to label America for the sins of an ignorant and bigot few. The American Society is still one of the fairest ones when it comes to race relations in this World and we must appreciate the journey the Society has been through, from the Jim Crow days, throught the MLK days till present. It has not been an easy feat.

The thing is, when one's sole-purose is to be on the lookout for racism, you will find racism in everything you encounter - mostly where it is non-existent. An innocent smile may come across to you as a racist smile; a friendly gesture is miscontrued as racist. A friendly invitation may be seen as an attempt to see if you have a tail behind you!

On a serious note though, yes, racism still exists in many ways around us but to go out there crying out that race-relations is falling may be an exergerration - unless, of course, yours is a good and honorable sensationalization of the issue to threaten those few bigots out there and chase them back into their racist holes. Then I am with you.

While we are at it, let us remember that even amongst us 'victims' of racism by the Oyibos, racism is alive and thriving, from Nigeria to Rwanda to Ghana. That is why, even on NVS, some are still buried deep in their ethnic bigotry, such that they cannot see anything beyond their ethnic limitations or the bigtotry they've been fed from infancy.

According to Crimsonbabe, that was "just my $0.02 cents".

Auspicious.

[Rose]

Originally Posted by Celticologist

"Clearly, it is obvious to even a fleeting observer that a majority in white America, including high profile trial and defense lawyers who ought to know better, are still seeking Mr. Simpson’s blood, in the murder, by unknown persons, of Nicole Brown-Simpson and Ron Goldman over ten years ago. It will be recalled, that Mr. Simpson was tried and duly acquitted by a jury of his peers.


Unknown persons?. Well, duly acquitted because smooth Johny Cochran did a good job to make OJ feel like he didn't do it.

I bet you won't have a mumbling word to say about Phil Spector considering all the evidence supporting a conviction. This is what we mean about your hypocrisy and double standards.

[Rose]

Great write up, ILN. There have been so many incidents as of late and whites are definitely growing bolder and more blatant when it comes to displaying their bigotry. Another thing we find very worrisome is how many non-whites now pledge their allegiance to America by indulging in the same racist practices hoping to curry favor along the way.

[ikechiji]

More Blacks and Hispanics Live in Prison Cells Than in College Dorms

While there are different ways one can "spin" this data, still a very telling statistic.

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON Sep 27, 2007 (AP)

More than three times as many black people live in prison cells as in college dorms, the government said in a report to be released Thursday.

The ratio is only slightly better for Hispanics, at 2.7 inmates for every Latino in college housing. Among non-Hispanic whites, more than twice as many live in college housing as in prison or jail.

The numbers, driven by men, do not include college students who live off campus. Previously released census data show that black and Hispanic college students commuters and those in dorms far outnumber black and Hispanic prison inmates.

Nevertheless, civil rights advocates said it is startling that blacks and Hispanics are more likely to live in prison cells than in college dorms.

"It's one of the great social and economic tragedies of our time," said Marc Morial, president and CEO of the Urban League. "It points to the signature failure in our education system and how we've been raising our children."

The Census Bureau released 2006 data Thursday on the social, racial and economic characteristics of people living in adult correctional facilities, college housing and nursing homes. It is the first in-depth look at people living in "group quarters" since the 1980 census. It shows, for example, that nursing homes had much older residents in 2006 than in 1980.

The new data has limitations. In addition to not including commuter students, it does not provide racial breakdowns by gender or age, though it does show that males make up 90 percent of prison inmates.

Also, most prison inmates are 25 or older while 96 percent of people in college housing are age 18 to 24.

The data show that big increases in black and Hispanic inmates occurred since 1980. In 1980, the number of blacks living in college dorms was roughly equal to the number in prison. Among Hispanics, those in college dorms outnumbered those in prison in 1980.

There are a lot of reasons why black students do not reach college at the same rate as whites, said Amy Stuart Wells, a professor of sociology and education at Columbia University's Teachers College.

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[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by Rose

Another thing we find very worrisome is how many non-whites now pledge their allegiance to America by indulging in the same racist practices hoping to curry favor along the way.

Hi, Rose!

Now that is definitely disturbing. Can you highlight examples of these instances for our collective memory upgrade? I am not contesting your claim (nor validating them either); I am just curious to know more about these.

Auspicious.

[Celticologist]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

Yes, UKNOWN PERSONS, Celticologist!!!! That is what the Court System said and so shall it be! Did the glove which the law said was used to commit the murder fit? DID IT FIT the accused???

The answer is a resounding NO!

So, deal with it, man - unless you actually saw O.J. commit that murder, he stands innocent of the accusations.

The Government had its chance to argue that he did, wether rightly or wongly, and it failed at it. Hence the man is innocent.

Case Closed - GBAM!

Auspicious.

The glove constitutes 0000.1 among other evidences that actually fitted well.
The government did not fail. The jury just happened to be the best that money could buy.
If you add that with a hard punching F Lee Bailey etc at your defense.....You'll be just fine.
Personally, I believe that fame and most importantly money really helped his case, but can never fully absolve him.

Not many americans in similar circumstances have been that lucky.

[Celticologist]

Originally Posted by Rose

I bet you won't have a mumbling word to say about Phil Spector considering all the evidence supporting a conviction. This is what we mean about your hypocrisy and double standards.

I can see you are addressing me in your reply. Could you please prove to the world that I am connected by way of double standard to Phil Spector at the same time being more exact who these "we" and "your" are?.

[I Love Nigeria]

Why Are More African Americans in prison?

Historical and Sociological explanations:

The American society and the criminal justice system is heavily stacked in the most lopsided way, against African Americans and peoples of African descent in America.

Ask yourself, why there were no hate-crimes charges against the white boys who obnoxiously and egregiously engaged in the heineous racial slur and extreme provocation of hanging nooses on a public, free-standing tree? Did the white boys have a monopoly or ownership of the tree? Why did they want to colonize the tree? Why did the school administration and even the prosecutor not nip the fracas in the bud? Before it became a full-blown imbroglio?

Why was it so important to charge these young African American boys with attempted murder and there were no such over-reactions directed at those white boys who were at the genesis of this tree-turf war?

Further ask yourself, how these African American boys can move from this wrong-side of the law deficit, arrest, conviction etc to blooming careers?

AND, be aware that there is a direct correlation between high rate of crimes/homicide and economic recession on the one hand. On the other hand, it is conversely, the case that economic boon is usually precursor to low crime rates ... New York City in the last twenty years is proof of this trend... the Reagan/Bush years of the 1980s witnessed economic recession as a consequence of voodoo economics... of the trickle-down sort/variety and the Clinton socially responsible and responsive policies of the Clinton 8 years led to economic boon and high rate of employment ... and with better life and better expectations even for the underclass... crime rate fell nationwide, including, in New York City

Ask yourself, this question: How many people would leave Law Schools or Medical Schools to engage in bank robberies? Does that not lead you to the path of co-relation between opportunities, life's expectations which are absent in the underclass... which in turn lead to anti social behaviors? Then add the incendiary factors of race and a criminal justice system that has been so unkind to African Americans!

Unless there are some here... who are willing to think... even think... that Africans and African Americans possess greater propensities to committ crimes... and there will be no logical basis for that... and it in fact with be most outrageous to even think it.

High density housing populated by perpetual underclass for whom the society shed no tears... underclass whose arrestees are frequently urged to plea bargain and "just-get-it-over-with... this means there are persons who plead guilty, who are in fact innocent... but encouraged to plea bargain guilt, to get out of the hassle

There are uncountable factors! Need we go on?

In the past ten days, we have learnt or have been reminded of the double standard in the criminal justice system in America which appears not to have changed from Jim Crow laws of yesteryears as Jena, Louisiana prosecutors informed African American High School boys, that he could ruin their lives with a stroke of his pen and he does with the help of a judge. A young African American, Mr. Bell, is still unjustly imprisoned for participating in a school yard fight. A school yard fight that had it genesis from unequal right and unequal justice in Jena. Jena High School had a tree, under which only white students could sit and frolic.

African Americans sought the "consent" and "permission" from the school administration, to be able to also sit under the same tree, sometimes. And school administrations says, no problem! Upon exercising this innocuous right, white students or their parental cohorts hung nooses from the tree. A clear reminder of the repugnant and reprehensible practice of how white America historically terrorized and lynched and brutalized African Americans.

African American at Jena High School reported the explosively provocative nooses display to the school administration and school administration did no more than slap the white students on the wrists. Then, palpable tensions ensued and it culminated into frequent schisms and physical fights, local prosecutors attempted intimidating African American students with threats of ruining their lives with a single stroke of his pen.

Boys will be boys, especially in High School, where adolescent hormones rages over the surface often. More fights ensued and violence intensified, a white student who allegedly taunted African American students in the melee, was roughened up and severely bruised and then, all hell broke lose. 6 African American young boys were summarily charged with attempted murder! This was in December 2006. Seething complaints bubble to the open, and the hypocrisy and double standard of American criminal justice system is laid bare for the world to see. A court declares Mr. Bell, a juvenile, who ought to be tried, but not as an adult.

Mr. Bell, the only one among the Jena 6, who is currently incarcerated and jailed as an adult, remains in detention despite this court order. Local prosecutors and a local judge who appears in cahoots, are adamant in keeping Mr. Bell in jail. And there Mr. Remains; despite nationwide uproar over the disparity and inequality in the criminal justice system versus comparative treatment of white with the perennial maltreatments and injustices which are visited upon African Americans.

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by Celticologist

The glove constitutes 0000.1 among other evidences that actually fitted well.

No ambuguities here, Celticologist. If you must accuse with specific proofs, you must prove!

Now, name ONE evidence that fitted - ONE!!! If there was, you would have named it already. As Auspicious would say, "Ambuguities is the last resort of the Clueless."

Originally Posted by Celticologist

The government did not fail. The jury just happened to be the best that money could buy.

{Auspicious Plays Violin while singing Elton John's "I've Seen That Movie Too"}

Originally Posted by Celticologist

If you add that with a hard punching F Lee Bailey etc at your defense.....You'll be just fine.

{Auspicious plays "Phantom of the Opera"}

Originally Posted by Celticologist

Personally, I believe that fame and most importantly money really helped his case, but can never fully absolve him.

{Auspicious couldn't help it anymore - he burst out laughing at the oldest tale ever told}

Originally Posted by Celticologist

Not many americans in similar circumstances have been that lucky.

Tell that to the Black Man who gets electrocuted for another man's crime in the "The Green Mile" movie.

Auspicious.

[ocnus]

I never thought I would have a good word for crackers in the South but, stupid and bigoted as it remains it is a far cry from the days preceding the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In those dark days it was considered a mark of honour in the South to resist integration or equal rights. It was said and believed with the same religious fanaticism as that regularly exhibited by the Foxites about 'liberalism'.

The legacy of the American Civil War , in which the Republicans of Lincoln freed the slaves, left a 'solid South' in the hands of largely rural Democrats ('the Dixiecrats'). the Democratic Party was split betweeen the 'New Dealer' wing of the party and the 'Slave Dealer' wing. The liberals needed the votes of the South to win so people like Jack Kennedy waffled in his response to civil rights. It was Lyndon Johnson who forced through the key laws. While this lifted the burden from the Democrats, many of the racist South turned to the conservative Republicans and a new alliance was formed which continues to this day.

Make no mistake. When we went down to the South on the Freedom Rides it wasn't just the police who fought us; it was everybody in town. After all, God was on their side. There were lynchings, burnings and violence in almost every town we visited. Soon the lynchings stopped but the rest of the violence continued. My good friend and classmate, Mickey Schwerner, disappeared with two others in Mississippi. They made a film about it. One night in Georgia I had to pay $50 to the sheriff to be allowed to spend the night in his jail because that was the only safe place.

This racism was absolutely absurd. My stepsister taught special education in the Virginia schol system. She taught blind children. One day she broke her leg and couldn't get to school so she arranged for the children to visit her at her house. In 1963 she was fired from the Virginia school system for teaching blind white and black children in the same room. It was maniacal, but it was the law.

Racism wasn't just aggression. There were more subtle forms. I was in Selma, Alabama during the first protest. The battle we were fighting was the equality of opportunity. In Selma employment was supposed to be available irrespective of race. Black garbage men were kept as 'juniors' on lower pay and poorer consitions because the town board of Selma decided that there had to be a five-year apprenticeship program for garbage collecting; and completed with an exam. There was equal opportunity but ony for white people. There are hundreds of similar examples.

My job was to follow up the Freedom Rides; to visit Southern jails to arrange bail and the release of those left behind. The jails were indescribable. In Jackson, Mississipi the warders would hose down the prisoners and their mattresses at night so that they couldn't sleep. I must apologise as I maintain a deep dislike and repulsion for the South and Southerners which I have difficulty hiding.

Sometimes, however, it was funny. We had a SNCC meeting in Washington and it went on late. We were in Alexandria, Virginia where there was segregation of rooms and hotels. We weren't allowed to stay in the same hotels. Someone had a brilliant idea. They put towels on the heads of Stokely, Rap and Jim Bevel and said they were Africans visiting their embassies. The hotels were able to give them rooms with us. We figured that with 10 millions turbans we could fix the problem.

I've gone on too long. All I wanted to say is that the racism of Jena is ugly and degrading but it isn't a pinprick compared to the sufferings of black people before. The right wing conservatives feed on this type of problem and use it for political advantage. They may be self-righteous fools but they are not Bull Connors, George Wallaces or their ilk. The crackers are still crackers; they still wear the white robes; but their might is tempered. A lot of brave black people suffered to make that true.

[tonsoyo]

Originally Posted by Celticologist

The glove constitutes 0000.1 among other evidences that actually fitted well.
The government did not fail. The jury just happened to be the best that money could buy.
If you add that with a hard punching F Lee Bailey etc at your defense.....You'll be just fine.
Personally, I believe that fame and most importantly money really helped his case, but can never fully absolve him.

Not many americans in similar circumstances have been that lucky.

Celticologist,

It does not matter if the jury was hired, rented or purchased, what really matters was the fact that a jury of his (O.J. Simpson) peer was duly constituted under the laws of America, he was duly tried in accordance with the law, and was discharged and acquitted.

The law ran its full course on that brother, like ILN said, that is how it is suppose to work in America. It is a big shame that they are still after him 10 years after.

The problem with O.J. Simpson though, is that he is incredibly stupid, and have refused to stay in his lane. That is why he fell for this obvious set-up.

@ILN,

Like Auspi said, if that is what we are looking for, racism and discrimination is all around us, it lives in people's family, neighborhood and in every society. I think America has actually been manging its own very well, looking at their history.

Considering that the black only started to vote freely without legal impediments and intimidation only a little over 40 years ago, even though the 15th Amendment of 1870 granted them that right and their women only start to vote around 1920 in a democracy that started since 1776.

How do we place racism in Nigeria?

[Celticologist]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

No ambuguities here, Celticologist. If you must accuse with specific proofs, you must prove!

Now, name ONE evidence that fitted - ONE!!! If there was, you would have named it already. As Auspicious would say, "Ambuguities is the last resort of the Clueless."



{Auspicious Plays Violin while singing Elton John's "I've Seen That Movie Too"}



{Auspicious plays "Phantom of the Opera"}



{Auspicious couldn't help it anymore - he burst out laughing at the oldest tale ever told}



Tell that to the Black Man who gets electrocuted for another man's crime in the "The Green Mile" movie.

Auspicious.

I actually think he will have a much easier time becoming the next king of England than to ever fully absolve himself of that murder.
The compound of factors that made O.J Simpson a free man is public knowledge. Not many African Americans in a similar condition had it that good.

[Celticologist]

Originally Posted by tonsoyo

Celticologist,

The problem with O.J. Simpson though, is that he is incredibly stupid, and have refused to stay in his lane. That is why he fell for this obvious set-up.

Yep!. Quite true!. He also just happens to be a reference point for different people (white and black) and a wide range of opinions or grieviances on the legal system.

OJ charged, OJ walks,....OJ hardly shuts up....next, bro writes a "hypothetical account" thinking the world is being fooled.
With this latest soap, he can still walk if he gets the right money, defense team and a sympathetic jury like the last one. They will arrive at a conclusion using the same thought process that made an acquittal possible in 1995. *(But again, that would not necessarily mean he did not do this one too).

[Rose]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

Hi, Rose!

Now that is definitely disturbing. Can you highlight examples of these instances for our collective memory upgrade? I am not contesting your claim (nor validating them either); I am just curious to know more about these.

Auspicious.

Here are just a few in addition to my own personal experiences and accounts from friends and family members. Other minorities are clearly demonstrating a willingness to pick up the baton from whites IMO.

Latinos

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...cal&id=4893700

Community Activists Cross `Forbidden Line' to Call for Peace Between Blacks and Latinos

LOS ANGELES, December 30, 2006 - In a call for peace and unity among blacks and Latinos, community activists crossed a "forbidden line" Saturday in a racially divided section of Harbor Gateway and walked to a makeshift memorial where a 14-year-old black girl was shot to death, allegedly by two Latino gang members.

Singing "Let It Shine," the mostly black group of about 25 members stopped at Harvard Boulevard near 206th Street, where Cheryl Green was standing with a group of friends Dec. 15 when she was gunned down. Three of her friends -- two other girls and a boy -- were wounded. Green's memorial consists of candles, flowers, and a scooter.
Ernesto Alcarez, 20, is scheduled to be arraigned on murder, attempted premeditated murder and hate crime charges Jan. 8 in Long Beach Superior Court in connection with the shooting that killed Cheryl --an eighth-grader at Stephen M. White Middle School -- and her three friends.

A second suspect, Jonathan Fajardo, is still at large.

Latino gang members have warned blacks not to cross south of 206th Street, the so-called "forbidden line," under threat of violence.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04232007...dan_mangan.htm

CAN'T GO HO AGAIN
HEAT ON 'IMUS' COPS

In another incident, on April 15, three black female officers - Tronnette Jackson, Maria Gomez and Karen Nelson - allegedly were singled out during a morning roll call in Brooklyn's 70th Precinct by Sgt. Carlos Mateo, who is Hispanic.

"Stand-up, ho's," Mateo said, according to lawyer Bonita Zelman, who works with the Guardians Association, an advocacy group for minority officers.

Police Officer Ralph Montenez then chimed in, "They're not just ho's, they're nappy-headed ho's," according to Zelman.

The women did not respond during this exchange.

On Friday, according to a police source, Mateo was transferred out of the 70th Precinct to an undisclosed assignment and stripped of his supervisory duties.

The sergeant had already been on thin ice over problems handling his administrative work and now faces possible demotion, a police source said.

"He wasn't a mean-spirited guy," a source said. "He was just a little dopey."

Indians

http://lw.bna.com/lw/19971223/972360.htm

In the first case, five Motel 6 patrons ("the Jackson plaintiffs") claim that Motel 6 unlawfully discriminated against them on the basis of their race. They claim that they were either denied accommodations at a Motel 6 motel or provided substandard accommodations pursuant to an alleged nationwide Motel 6 practice or policy of (1) refusing to rent otherwise vacant rooms to blacks and other non-white persons, (2) segregating black patrons and other non-white patrons from white patrons within a single facility, and (3) providing substandard housekeeping and other services to black patrons and other non-white patrons as compared to white patrons. Two of the five named plaintiffs allege that they were denied rooms at the same motel; the remaining three named plaintiffs each allege that they were subjected to discriminatory treatment at three separate other motels.

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/housing/doc...conosettle.htm

The complaint alleges that the defendants engaged in a pattern or practice of denying African-Americans the full and equal enjoyment of rights secured to them under 42 U.S.C. §§ 2000a et. seq., in the operation of the Econo Lodge Motel. Specifically, the United States alleges that the Defendants and their employees and/or agents, have implemented a policy and practice of denying African-American persons, on the basis of their race and color, the full and equal enjoyment of the facilities, services and accommodations of the Econo-Lodge Motel on the same basis as such facilities, services and accommodations are provided to white persons. This policy and practice has been implemented, among other ways, as follows:

Assigning African-American persons to specifically designated rooms and/or areas of the motel because of their race and color;

Refusing to accommodate the preferences of African-American guests in the location and options or other amenities of their hotel room; and

Charging African-American persons a higher price for a room than white persons.

Defendants deny all material allegations of the complaint, and specifically have denied that they discriminated against any person on account of their race or color.

Asian

Go here for pdf of article by Kenneth Eng "Why I Hate Blacks"...justifying why Asians should offer up discrimination.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/11128382/detail.html


Check out Amren.com. Soon you'll find comments from nonwhites/blacks joining in with anti-Black comments.

[tonsoyo]

Originally Posted by Celticologist

Yep!. Quite true!. He just happens to be a reference point for different people and different opinions on the legal system.

OJ charged, OJ walks,....OJ hardly shuts up....next, bro writes a "hypothetical account" thinking the world is being fooled.
With this latest soap, he can still walk if he gets the right money, defense team and a sympathetic jury like the last one. They will arrive at a conclusion using the same thought process that made an acquittal possible in 1995. *(But again, that would not necessarily mean he did not do this one too).

If discharged and acquitted, that would mean legally that he did not do it.

Fortunately or unfortunately, the legal system is all that we have been able to come up with as the system that govern and judge relaltionship among civilized men.

It's verdicts should be respected!

[Rose]

Auspy, here's another one:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/21/us...?ref=education

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/.../21racism2.jpg

Both sides agree that the problems at Centauri emerged long before the photo of the seniors, Trey Jackson, Dylan Valerio, Cole Smith and Kyle Martin, surfaced on the Internet in May.

All four were part of a group that in the fall of 2005 clashed with the veteran coach, Larry Joe Hunt, one of only a handful of African-Americans who live in Alamosa, near La Jara, where white and Hispanic residents predominate.

The boys, all members of the varsity football squad, were upset by what they felt was a lack of playing time and by what they called offensive language in hip-hop songs that Mr. Hunt, known for his intensity, played before games, said Cas Garcia, a lawyer representing the family of Trey Jackson. The boys, their parents and some other team members took their complaints to local school district officials but felt they were ignored, Mr. Garcia said.

This year, the dispute turned ugly when, according to Mr. Hunt’s son, Colby, 17, the players and their friends, who are white and Hispanic, began to insult Colby and other students who support the coach. Once, Colby recalled, they discussed, just loudly enough for him to hear, forming a club called the Lynch Mob or the Klan.

I've read of a few cases involving biracial/white teens rolling together against Blacks as well. One took place in Florida where they tried to fit a noose around a boys neck.