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In the inner city enclaves of Battersea, Brixton, Moss Side, Peckham, Plumstead, Stratford, Streatha...Read the full article.

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this article simply returns the blame back to the black people. For Africans I will put the blame of our backwardness unto ourselves becuase decades after the colonisers have gone, we still havent put one foot right. But from New York's Bronx to london's elephant and castle a combination of poverty, dysfunctional families, history and government's indifference are underlying factors, the government are run by whites. It is about 40% more difficult for a black american college graduate to get employment compared to his white counterpart with similar results. Government could help with deliberate education and targeting poverty levels in young families.
In Africa we run our governments substantially and we should be totally responsible for our plight.

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We have a problem in the UK but incidents involving the evil black race in London is given such a media attention and sexed up so much so that even blacks who are not privy to these occurrences believe them and act in such a way as to suggest there is a 3rd world war among black people in Britain.

“Black temper, that disjunctive and ugly birth mark of all black people is accelerating the black community and their children to an early death."

Did you say all???? Does that include a highly qualified professional like me. Does that include my black doctor friend, does that include the British Ambassador to South Africa, Paul Boateng???
“Blade attacks that is driving the black community into real despair on a massive scale”

Driving the black community to despair?
What is the black community? All black people in Birmingham, London, Ipswich and Northampton? Which community/ies are you talking about? My community has no violence, I don’t see any knife attacks near where I live;come to think of it my community is white, Asian and black, it is not a predominantly black community and I am not part of a community called “black community” I am part of the community where I live. There is no black community inside the community and inside that black community there is no known violence that is tied with other black communities in other regions of Britain to make it a wider Violent black community.”

“This black against black killings”
I will tell you what I told that fool, Keith Jarrett, the outgoing president of the National Black Police Association: You are no different from the white-neo-con media that is driving a stereotypical wedge in relations by such ridiculous claims; AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE ARE MORE WHITE PEOPLE KILLING WHITES THAN BLACK ON BLACKS BUT THE WHITE MURDERS ARE REPORTED AS MURDERS, NOT WHITE ON WHITE VIOLENCE. BUT THERE IS NO TERM COINED “WHITE ON WHITE VIOLENCE” you catch my drift???

But I agree with you are the need to educate and nurture young black kids on the dangers of such violence and the need for alternative lifestyle choices that will make them as successful in life and other races in Britain.

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The biggest problem here is the term "black"

When you use that term to define, identify or label people, who have different histories, visions, ideals, values, nationalities and circumstances together, then the outcome becomes what the creators of that label has in mind.
The use of black to identify non progressive, prone to violence, retarded individuals and groups, poverty stricken people is a label that was specifically created to seriously undermine the caribbean migrants and their future descendants in the UK, to systematically remove them out of the number of the successful, and ultimately out of the equation.

During and after the civil rights movements, the descendants of African slaves in the USA were also encouraged by the establishment over there to identify themselves as negroes, blacks, coloured and so on...
But the African Americans outwitted their "enemies" and rejected any further use of self destructive labels such as "blacks" to identify themselves.

While in the UK, the "blacks" over there continue to prove time and time again that they are still in a deep slumber, and still playing the games of the enemy, with the enemy in full control of their labeling, destiny and unfortunately mortality of their youths and young ones.

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=M. Akosa;4295088623>The biggest problem here is the term "black"

When you use that term to define, identify or label people, who have different histories, visions, ideals, values, nationalities and circumstances together, then the outcome becomes what the creators of that label has in mind.
The use of black to identify non progressive, prone to violence, retarded individuals and groups, poverty stricken people is a label that was specifically created to seriously undermine the caribbean migrants and their future descendants in the UK, to systematically remove them out of the number of the successful, and ultimately out of the equation.

During and after the civil rights movements, the descendants of African slaves in the USA were also encouraged by the establishment over there to identify themselves as negroes, blacks, coloured and so on...
But the African Americans outwitted their "enemies" and rejected any further use of self destructive labels such as "blacks" to identify themselves.

While in the UK, the "blacks" over there continue to prove time and time again that they are still in a deep slumber, and still playing the games of the enemy, with the enemy in full control of their labeling, destiny and unfortunately mortality of their youths and young ones.

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Thanks Mr Akosa,

The biggest problem is indeed the usage of the term "black", and how it is portrayed by both whites and some misguided black people.

I know for certain that the most prone to violence, problematic and least successful blacks in the UK are Jamaicans and some Caribbean people. But, the UK media are easy to label all section of black color in that mix. The Caribbeans themselves are not in a hurry to tell the world they are the problem because it sort of neutralizes them a bit that all “color blacks are being blamed for it.

Such is the lack of strength of the African community that years ago when metropolitan police commissioner, Paul Condon described “blacks” as being responsible for 80% of muggings in the City of London, not one single African rose to say it is indeed a mostly Jamaican problem, so the trend still continues. There are now Nigerian names being mentioned in these killings but I am yet to find large numbers of Africans as the perpetrators but we are still told we have a problem in the black community.

It is the same Caribbean people who armed with distorted information about how Africans, including me and my grandfather sold them to slavery and that I personally destroyed their lives in the process. How slavery that happened centuries ago is preventing them becoming doctors, teachers and engineers is another matter.

I think Africans should set a politically correct term for labeling us, away from these Caribbean miscreants.

The statistics I obtained recently suggests that Nigerians (for one) are heavily involved in non-violent crimes like fraud but yet as part of a wider black community we are somehow tied to murder and violence.
How does that make sense?

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I think Africans should set a politically correct term for labeling us, away from these Caribbean miscreants.

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What does this mean?

As Amy would say: Latter O

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"London as an island of peace and tranquillity is experiencing a makeover. Black temper, that disjunctive and ugly birth mark of all black people is accelerating the black community and their children to an early death. We are in the throes of a mournful slippage from the Olympian height of moral, cultural and social regeneration to barbaric and brutish butchery through blade attacks that is driving the black community into real despair on a massive scale."

Mr. Tijani, I hate to say this, but your write up does hit the nail on the head. For the simple fact that the introduction portrays an image of the black individual London blacks simply calls a ‘coconut’ – i.e. a person whose black on the outside and white inside or in the words of Anikulapo, “fanta face, coke yansh”. London was never “an island of peace and tranquillity” neither was it an “Olympian height of moral, cultural and social regeneration” as you claim unless you are one of the types that rightly belongs to George Orwell’s Animal Farm of ‘four legs good, two legs bad’. London was the city of the black plague and Blackheath still exist as a testimony to that fact today. Leo Africanus (1493-1552) rightly described in his book that the African potentates were building thrones of gold whilst the ancestors of the white man were still living in caves. This contrasts sadly with your assertion of barbaric and brutish butchery reminiscent of the black youth in London today. I could descend as low as you to start citing the heinous crimes attributed to the white folks even at the time when the Windrush had just landed its first human cargo but that would make me no better. Suffice to say, blacks are not the reason why your idea of London is no longer rosy. People are simply people, be they saints or simply criminally-minded. I live in London and in one of your so-called inner-city pockets of deprivation and what we see on the streets are not black criminals, but CRIMINALS, pure and simple, and they come in all shades, shape, sex and colour. Enlightened people do not subscribe to the racist press that seeks to highlight and blow out of proportion, incidences of black kids being killed by other black kids but downplay the orgies of violence perpetrated by kids of other hues. I wonder why you would – for the sake of bread and butter?

"To me his radical retelling of the cultural emptiness of black family values which ship into mindless crime and orgy of violence may touch our anger nerves as black fathers and mothers, but to say otherwise would have given comfort to political correcting band of liberals who mainly blame race as the root of black crime."

Yes, to you, the highlighted section of your words says it all – an unconscious denunciation of your very self-esteem. I am proud of my cultural black family values which makes me and several other proud black people living abroad what they are. It is those values that dictate that I do not call my mother by her first name, nor do I call my elderly ones by their names. It is those values that make me give RESPECT and get RESPECT in return and I offer no apology to your to political correcting band of liberals because is what I am and what makes me better than the animal you seek to portray as quick to “ship into mindless crime and orgy of violence”

"In Britain, the culture and dress code among black youth is derived mainly from what I will describe as Jamaican “downtown” attitude and “bashment” style. The socio-economic backgrounds of those pioneering, “Windrushed” arrival of the Fifties is rural underclass. In the inner city enclaves of Battersea, Brixton, Moss Side, Peckham, Plumstead, Stratford, Streatham and Norwood, what still rules heart and mind are the norms and codes of working class Jamaicans. They lead in territorial gang membership, single motherhood, absent fatherism and rule the underground gun cartel."

Mr. Tijani, your description of the dress code and assertion that it belongs to Jamaican downtown attitude and bashment is not only a misnomer, it portrays abject ignorance which you seek to pass as factual, it signifies a mental aberration bordering on racial discrimination against the Carribean people, but above all, it is extremely offensive. I know from this single statement that you have NEVER been to Jamaica, so how dare you write such profanities in your ignorance? Yes, you may be right when you wrote that “The socio-economic backgrounds of those pioneering, “Windrushed” arrival of the Fifties is rural”. They were working class artisans, farmers, builders, nurses, teachers et al and they were needed to rebuild this country after the WWII ended. They were not underclass, the same way modern blacks come into this country and had to survive with menial and demeaning jobs was the same situation they faced with quiet dignity. And for your enlightenment, it is not every black kid with a South London accent that is Jamaican – some of them also have names like Taju, Kayode, Ade or whatever, if their parents have not adopted Western-style names for whatever purpose. Don’t give a dog a name just to hang it. If the pioneering Jamaicans and some of their offsprings had not rebelled against the ‘apes obey’ mentality which you appear to idolise, blacks on the streets of London today would still be classed lower than dogs, even in securing accommodation to rent and live in. It is not all Jamaican families that are single parents with absent fathers neither is all single parent, absent father households Jamaicans. Get your facts right, you twisted being.

"Then small time criminals began to re-educate black teenagers on the futility of acting white which means a rejection of Western education and their cultural ‘superiority’ for a more urban, no fear, hard, rebellious, niggardly, knife totting ‘rudeboy’ image idolised by the girl next door and respected in sink estates turf battlefields."

Is there any point in acting white? The black man needs to compete on the basis of his abilities and precocity not on his whiteness or ability to ape the white man. It does not take the small time criminal to re-educate the black youths about this but the very arrogance of a society that claims to be all-inclusive, all-embracing, welcoming and intellectually liberated but takes delight in making skilled black immigrant doctors work as care workers, PhD holders as cleaners et al. They are rebelling because they do not have enough black role models who are competing on their own terms and can only sneer at ‘coconuts’ who would seek to label them as “rudeboys” and look down on their homesteads as “sink estate turf battlefields”

"In fact, a 1996 study by Ceri Peach of Oxford University predicted with clinical accuracy that, whereas the Asians in Britain could look forward to a future of accomplishments, blacks however faced a bleaker future. Twelve solid years after Peach’s prophecy, the black community is still mourning ‘heroes’ who died standing."

Clinical accuracy? Reminds me of the ranting of Prof. Hugh Trevor Roper (of the infamous memory), who asserted that, “the black man of today may look precocious, but his mental development was arrested at the age of puberty”. Perhaps, yours were.

"Our black teenagers need to re-engage and embrace the values of hard work, obedience to law and order, respect for parents and teachers and above all a rejection of cultural nihilism coded into rap music."

Mercifully, you make sense in the last sentence. These were always black values. Did you just smell the coffee? :mad::mad::sad:
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The statistics I obtained recently suggests that Nigerians (for one) are heavily involved in non-violent crimes like fraud but yet as part of a wider black community we are somehow tied to murder and violence.
How does that make sense?

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But we are tied to all these nonsense. It is no longer news that Nigerian youths are involved in gun and violent crimes. The other day (about 3 years ago), there was a news clip of a black boy in the British midlands who went on Rambo-style operation, snatching cars, shooting at the police and killing innocent membersof the public in his bid to get away. When I first heard the news, I laughed ruefully thinking this reminds me of home - Naija - you could very well understand my dismay when the announcer tried to pronounce his name - yes, a Yoruba boy. Earlier this year, there was another case. A giant of a man was displayed on BBC again - of elephantine proportions and very thick negroid features. He had stabbed about 8 people on the street after he was accused of shoplifting. Yes, he was a Nigerian of Eastern Nigerian extraction. Why do we have to lie? If we are proud to name Chinua Achebe and Wole Soyinka as one of our own, why are we in a haste to deny the bad eggs among us?
How does that hypocrisy make sense?

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Some sense in what you have to say there but cannot help acknowledging the inferiority complex in your writing –it is like you are scared or ignorant of the real perpetrators of violent crimes in the UK. And you rather totally ignore the fact on the streets that Jamaicans are indeed the majority purveyors of violence in the UK. You rather for your own daft reasons ignore that and proceed to abuse the only people you feel comfortable stigmatising, Nigerians.
The author and many others like me can clearly see the threats and who are the real violent criminals, we can clearly see that the few Nigerian boys involved are copying a Jamaican style culture of “respec” and “rude boy”.

“It is no longer news that Nigerian youths are involved in gun crimes” How many are there? Is it the same scale as the yardies who are mentors for Caribbean types in council flats scattered all over the city of London? I bet as easy as it was for you to give me 2 examples of Nigerian boys involved in killings you cannot find enough space to describe the amount of Caribbean violence you must have read in your entire lifetime in the UK or, or you are too scared to even mention them! It is easier to defend them here and totally concentrate on people who are more involved in non violent crimes?

Listen to you half bakes response to the writer, are you half witted and literate to the happening of this City or you are just here to disagree with he writer for the sake of being the opposition????

The author is right “the dress code does belong to Jamaican downtown attitude and bashment” someone wearing one here has confirm he actually wants to be like jammo!!! It is not a misnomer, it is THE FACT!

There is no ignorance other than your blindness to face facts, and if anyone is ignorant it is indeed you. What is not factual about a Jamaican unkempt and indecent style of dressing present on the streets of London..........? How many Jamaicans with dreadlocks and dirty criminal looking outfits do you not see on the streets daily? There is nothing about the author’s observations that border on racial discrimination against the Caribbean people, they are doing it themselves. And your silly “Fifties is rural”. Bunkum that they were working class artisans, farmers, builders, nurses, teachers et al and they were needed to rebuild this country after the WWII ended may very well be true but they certainly are not mainly like that these days.. There are too many single baby mama parenthood, attended by weed smoking, diminished responsibilities, distorted history and an outright refusal to better their lot. It is so prevalent in certain boroughs that house Jamaicans so much so that even ignorant people like you might observe it.

My friends are actually laughing at your responses here, “that man must be the only person in the UK not aware that Caribbean’s are the biggest problem of violence afflicting the black race in Britain” they said.

Get your finger out of your ass and call a spade a spade, please!!!

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=Kay Soyemi (Esq.);4295088858>"London as an island of peace and tranquillity is experiencing a makeover. Black temper, that disjunctive and ugly birth mark of all black people is accelerating the black community and their children to an early death. We are in the throes of a mournful slippage from the Olympian height of moral, cultural and social regeneration to barbaric and brutish butchery through blade attacks that is driving the black community into real despair on a massive scale."

Mr. Tijani, I hate to say this, but your write up does hit the nail on the head. For the simple fact that the introduction portrays an image of the black individual London blacks simply calls a ‘coconut’ – i.e. a person whose black on the outside and white inside or in the words of Anikulapo, “fanta face, coke yansh”. London was never “an island of peace and tranquillity” neither was it an “Olympian height of moral, cultural and social regeneration” as you claim unless you are one of the types that rightly belongs to George Orwell’s Animal Farm of ‘four legs good, two legs bad’. London was the city of the black plague and Blackheath still exist as a testimony to that fact today. Leo Africanus (1493-1552) rightly described in his book that the African potentates were building thrones of gold whilst the ancestors of the white man were still living in caves. This contrasts sadly with your assertion of barbaric and brutish butchery reminiscent of the black youth in London today. I could descend as low as you to start citing the heinous crimes attributed to the white folks even at the time when the Windrush had just landed its first human cargo but that would make me no better. Suffice to say, blacks are not the reason why your idea of London is no longer rosy. People are simply people, be they saints or simply criminally-minded. I live in London and in one of your so-called inner-city pockets of deprivation and what we see on the streets are not black criminals, but CRIMINALS, pure and simple, and they come in all shades, shape, sex and colour. Enlightened people do not subscribe to the racist press that seeks to highlight and blow out of proportion, incidences of black kids being killed by other black kids but downplay the orgies of violence perpetrated by kids of other hues. I wonder why you would – for the sake of bread and butter?

"To me his radical retelling of the cultural emptiness of black family values which ship into mindless crime and orgy of violence may touch our anger nerves as black fathers and mothers, but to say otherwise would have given comfort to political correcting band of liberals who mainly blame race as the root of black crime."

Yes, to you, the highlighted section of your words says it all – an unconscious denunciation of your very self-esteem. I am proud of my cultural black family values which makes me and several other proud black people living abroad what they are. It is those values that dictate that I do not call my mother by her first name, nor do I call my elderly ones by their names. It is those values that make me give RESPECT and get RESPECT in return and I offer no apology to your to political correcting band of liberals because is what I am and what makes me better than the animal you seek to portray as quick to “ship into mindless crime and orgy of violence”

"In Britain, the culture and dress code among black youth is derived mainly from what I will describe as Jamaican “downtown” attitude and “bashment” style. The socio-economic backgrounds of those pioneering, “Windrushed” arrival of the Fifties is rural underclass. In the inner city enclaves of Battersea, Brixton, Moss Side, Peckham, Plumstead, Stratford, Streatham and Norwood, what still rules heart and mind are the norms and codes of working class Jamaicans. They lead in territorial gang membership, single motherhood, absent fatherism and rule the underground gun cartel."

Mr. Tijani, your description of the dress code and assertion that it belongs to Jamaican downtown attitude and bashment is not only a misnomer, it portrays abject ignorance which you seek to pass as factual, it signifies a mental aberration bordering on racial discrimination against the Carribean people, but above all, it is extremely offensive. I know from this single statement that you have NEVER been to Jamaica, so how dare you write such profanities in your ignorance? Yes, you may be right when you wrote that “The socio-economic backgrounds of those pioneering, “Windrushed” arrival of the Fifties is rural”. They were working class artisans, farmers, builders, nurses, teachers et al and they were needed to rebuild this country after the WWII ended. They were not underclass, the same way modern blacks come into this country and had to survive with menial and demeaning jobs was the same situation they faced with quiet dignity. And for your enlightenment, it is not every black kid with a South London accent that is Jamaican – some of them also have names like Taju, Kayode, Ade or whatever, if their parents have not adopted Western-style names for whatever purpose. Don’t give a dog a name just to hang it. If the pioneering Jamaicans and some of their offsprings had not rebelled against the ‘apes obey’ mentality which you appear to idolise, blacks on the streets of London today would still be classed lower than dogs, even in securing accommodation to rent and live in. It is not all Jamaican families that are single parents with absent fathers neither is all single parent, absent father households Jamaicans. Get your facts right, you twisted being.

"Then small time criminals began to re-educate black teenagers on the futility of acting white which means a rejection of Western education and their cultural ‘superiority’ for a more urban, no fear, hard, rebellious, niggardly, knife totting ‘rudeboy’ image idolised by the girl next door and respected in sink estates turf battlefields."

Is there any point in acting white? The black man needs to compete on the basis of his abilities and precocity not on his whiteness or ability to ape the white man. It does not take the small time criminal to re-educate the black youths about this but the very arrogance of a society that claims to be all-inclusive, all-embracing, welcoming and intellectually liberated but takes delight in making skilled black immigrant doctors work as care workers, PhD holders as cleaners et al. They are rebelling because they do not have enough black role models who are competing on their own terms and can only sneer at ‘coconuts’ who would seek to label them as “rudeboys” and look down on their homesteads as “sink estate turf battlefields”

"In fact, a 1996 study by Ceri Peach of Oxford University predicted with clinical accuracy that, whereas the Asians in Britain could look forward to a future of accomplishments, blacks however faced a bleaker future. Twelve solid years after Peach’s prophecy, the black community is still mourning ‘heroes’ who died standing."

Clinical accuracy? Reminds me of the ranting of Prof. Hugh Trevor Roper (of the infamous memory), who asserted that, “the black man of today may look precocious, but his mental development was arrested at the age of puberty”. Perhaps, yours were.

"Our black teenagers need to re-engage and embrace the values of hard work, obedience to law and order, respect for parents and teachers and above all a rejection of cultural nihilism coded into rap music."

Mercifully, you make sense in the last sentence. These were always black values. Did you just smell the coffee? :mad::mad::sad:
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But we are tied to all these nonsense. It is no longer news that Nigerian youths are involved in gun and violent crimes. The other day (about 3 years ago), there was a news clip of a black boy in the British midlands who went on Rambo-style operation, snatching cars, shooting at the police and killing innocent membersof the public in his bid to get away. When I first heard the news, I laughed ruefully thinking this reminds me of home - Naija - you could very well understand my dismay when the announcer tried to pronounce his name - yes, a Yoruba boy. Earlier this year, there was another case. A giant of a man was displayed on BBC again - of elephantine proportions and very thick negroid features. He had stabbed about 8 people on the street after he was accused of shoplifting. Yes, he was a Nigerian of Eastern Nigerian extraction. Why do we have to lie? If we are proud to name Chinua Achebe and Wole Soyinka as one of our own, why are we in a haste to deny the bad eggs among us?
How does that hypocrisy make sense?

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My dear African brothers and sisters,

Please let us wake up to the tragic reality of this UK "BLACK ON BLACK " crime and finger pointing.
The "black" community in the UK is hurting, not progressive in comparison to other migrant groups and communities, worst of all has bitterness, jealousy, envy, fear and disunity among its people.

I think the time has come when the UK "BLACKS" have to say enough to waste of their human resources, young ones, their collective future, whether they came from Africa in search of education, safety and security, opportunities; or whether they came from the West Indies to contribute and participate in their "UK motherland"

God bless you all.

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I am BLACK.

My Hair is BLACK.

BLACK is BEAUTFUL.

L. Hussein Auspicious.