Is Islam Secure in It's Own Faith? (Part Three)

Australia might have elected a new Prime Minister but its challenges with Islam are just beginning.

Australian former Treasurer, Peter Costello, who is the heir to the defeated Prime Minister, John Howard, recently warned on National Television that Muslims who do not want to accept that Australia is a secular state but instead want to live under the Sharia law should leave Australia . I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," he said.

At the same time, the former Education Minister, Brendan Nelson, told reporters that Muslims who do not want to accept local values should leave Australia . "Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off," he said.

Australia has been on the edge with its Muslim population since the terrorist attack on Bali . It has fueled nationalist feelings that even led to a strong questioning of the multi-cultural perception of Australia . There is now a serious effort by those on the right to protect what they called Australian sovereignty and national identity. 

Paul Green, an Australian Christian pastor and a New South Wales senatorial candidate for the Christian Democratic party in the last election stirred up passion when he called for a 10-year moratorium on any further migration of Muslims to Australia until studies are done on its effect on Australian society.

In making his argument, he likened migration of Muslims to Australia with bird flu. "If there was bird flu coming from a people's groups across the nation, would we not stop to assess the risk management of what it means to Australia and then assess the factors, and say, 'Is it safe to continue that or withhold it until it is dealt with?'" he said.

Paul Green got only 6.3 % of the vote cast but the issues he raised still remains. And if you think Paul Green was extreme, meet Danny Nalliah.

Danny Nalliah is the leader of Catch the Fire, a Christian ministry that advocates the destruction of mosques and once described Muslims in a newsletter as demons training to make Australia an Islamic state.

In this environment, you will think the other side will keep the tempo low. But no. In a recent speech at a conference in Sydney, Ashraf Doureihi, one of the leaders of Hizb ut-Tahrir, a radical Muslim group banned in several countries told his audience that Islamic state must be created in Australia either by war or by revolution.

"It is important… [to move] collectively in the Muslim world to demand this change from such influential people in our lands, even if it means spilling onto the streets to create a revolution or staging a military coup," he said.

Adding his voice to this call was Wasim Durie, spokesman of Hizb ut-Tahrir. He told the audience that establishing an Islamic super-state is of supreme importance. "As we were here today, what is at stake is not just the destiny of the Muslim world but indeed the whole of mankind," he said.

As if the Australians were not heating up their system by themselves, an American-based Syrian-born psychiatrist who is also an influential Muslim thinker, Dr. Wafa Sultan, recently visited Australia and warned them that they were underestimating the evil of Islam. He stated that the West has been duped into believing that there is a difference between the so called moderate and radical elements of Islamic religion.

Dr. Sultan, who has two fatwas on her head warned that Muslims in the West must be monitored because they were indoctrinated at early age to believe that Western values were evil and that the whole world would one day come under Sharia law. She said that Muslims in the West would exploit the freedom of speech to spread hate and destroy the values that made the West what it is.

"You're fighting someone who is willing to die," Dr Sultan told The Australian in an Arabic and English interview. "So you have to understand this mentality and find ways to face it. (As a Muslim) your mission on this earth is to fight for Islam and to kill or to be killed. You're here for only a short life and once you kill a kafir, or a non-believer, soon you're going to be united with your God."

As if Dr. Sultan's visit was not enough, Somali writer and former Dutch lawmaker, Ayaan Hirsi, also visited Sydney . Hirsi once called the prophet Mohammed a pedophile and said Islam was inferior to Western culture. In Australia she repeated her charges and spoke on the backwardness of Islam and its persecution of Muslim women.

Australia currently has 300,000 Muslims. For a country that was founded by banished British rouges, who until 1967 have Aborigines legally listed as native wildlife, relationship with a fast growing Muslim population has been turbulent.

... to be continued.




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Re: Is Islam Secure in It's Own Faith? (Part Three)
Ttonjo posted on 09-27-2008, 08:25:22 AM
'Muslim thinker, Dr. Wafa Sultan, recently visited Australia and warned them that they were underestimating the evil of Islam. He stated that the West has been duped into believing that there is a difference between the so called moderate and radical elements of Islamic religion.'

What an interesting statement above from an islamic scholar about the evil of Islamic religion and for the whole world to wake up to the menace of the so-called peaceful religion. Remember Salmon Rushdie, whose book: the 'Satanic verses' causes stir in islamic world, when the late Ayatollah of Iran, put fatah on his head? Thanks to the British authorities protective measures he would have been dead by now.

Then came the menace of Osama BIn Landen, and his evil followers who will stop at nothing to shed innocent bloods, all in the name of Islamic religion.

Another monster is now rearing its ugly head, in the name of IRAN. Iran is despierately trying to acquire nuclear weapon, so as to enable it to start the Big Jihad, (the holy war) which all muslims are patiently waiting to fight, including our muslims neighbours in the north and their fellow collaboration in the south.

The time is now for the whole world to wake up to these evil ideaology before it is too late. Ask the innocent victims of this wicked faith, in Tanzania, Idonosia, USA, London, Pakistan (recently), and countless of fellow innocent NIgerians, who died needlessly in Northern Nigeria all in the name of Islamic jihad against non-moslim.
Re: Is Islam Secure in It's Own Faith? (Part Three)
Mark Lar posted on 09-27-2008, 12:17:51 PM
The bottom line to all of what have been said above and elsewhere is that islam is in conflict with what the world sees as civilised norms, free thoughts, fredom of choice and all that is incompatible with Bedouin standards of the middle ages.
Re: Is Islam Secure in It's Own Faith? (Part Three)
Blondie posted on 09-27-2008, 16:21:31 PM
Last week during a coffee break following a tasking surgery in the theatre, I had asked an Indian colleague of mine if he was a muslim. Without waiting to find out why I was asking, he said an emphatic "no!". He went further to say that if he was one he would long have changed religion. Of course he is Hindu. I have never been able to understand the mindset of people that practise a religion whose doctrine drips blood. That religion for all I care is like pestilence. It is like an incubus that has come to weigh down on modern civilization. From Afghanistan to Lebanon, from Australia to India, from Indonesia to Phillipines this religion of savages has always left its calling card: blood! Anyone might think we're still living in the days of Genghis Kan.
Re: Is Islam Secure in It's Own Faith? (Part Three)
Abdulmumin posted on 09-28-2008, 13:43:25 PM
1,600,000,000 people and still counting in a world of 6.6 billion people! That is the number of those of us who profess the Islamic faith.

I am sure you are all saddened by the fact that my beautiful faith Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. One in four of human beings are muslims and you know what? There is absolutely nothing you and the entirety of the remaining 75% of the human race can do about us except develop ulcers.

So stew in your hate!
Re: Is Islam Secure in It's Own Faith? (Part Three)
Deebee posted on 09-28-2008, 15:32:56 PM
QUOTE:
1,600,000,000 people and still counting in a world of 6.6 billion people! That is the number of those of us who profess the Islamic faith.

I am sure you are all saddened by the fact that my beautiful faith Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. One in four of human beings are muslims and you know what? There is absolutely nothing you and the entirety of the remaining 75% of the human race can do about us except develop ulcers.

So stew in your hate!


Abdulmumin, you're compunding the problem! By the way, just when did the Muslim population reach 1.6 billion!!! Some even question the 1 billion figure since it is habitual for Islamic governments to lie about their population figures.
Re: Is Islam Secure in It's Own Faith? (Part Three)
Celticologist posted on 09-28-2008, 18:08:21 PM
QUOTE:
1,600,000,000 people and still counting in a world of 6.6 billion people! That is the number of those of us who profess the Islamic faith.

I am sure you are all saddened by the fact that my beautiful faith Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. One in four of human beings are muslims and you know what? There is absolutely nothing you and the entirety of the remaining 75% of the human race can do about us except develop ulcers.

So stew in your hate!


Abdulmumin,

You are possibly right about the number of moslems walking the earth and fast growing but you did not tell us how it came about. That number is as a result of an uncontrolled birth rate among moslems especially in countries where poligamy is legal and birth control is not only frowned upon but perceived as "decadently western".

In some western countries where moslems are a minority but also fast reproducing than everyone else, (France, England, Netherlands), it is not uncommon that a high percentage of their women do not work, are on low income or simply cannot be employed. But they will have on average a number of children living on that same "infidel" system that their ungrateful daddies have sworn to destroy.

Talking about radical moslems in western nations, I agree 100% with the Australians. By the way, a lot of the (first generation) moslem immigrants who sought asylum in Australia had passed Indonesia on their way, but chose to live in a western society anyway, knowing very well that their beloved Islamic laws will never operate there. Shouldn't they be moving to proper Islamic countries, quadrupling their numbers and raising their children accordingly?
Re: Is Islam Secure in It's Own Faith? (Part Three)
Tunde meee posted on 09-28-2008, 23:20:20 PM
Whoever says the Western value is evil needs a combined team of Neurosurgeon and Neuropsychiatrist to examined his/her head.

What is evil about:

1. A society so liberal that more than 1/2 of its adult sufferage are single but have children because they abhor marriage institution?

2. Such a beautiful Society where it pays you better to remain single but have children or married but claim to be single because you are about ÂŁ100/week better than those who proclaimed marriage.

3. A society where a child is so free that he could ask his/her dad/mum to go to hell yet a smack may earn the father/mother up to 6 months inprisonment and a life long compnany with paedophiles,murderers etc. on the criminal register.

4. A society where you can't smack your child but you may go to prison if the child refuses to attend school.

5. A society where its adolescents are into drugs and alcohol from as early as age of 9 and every Friday night its Police prepare for war in peace time.

6. A society thats sells diseases in bottles and cans and death in rolls.

7. A Society which is so liberal that you are free to screw a man from behind or all you need is a dido(never a man) and yet get a portion of the holy book to support yourself.

8. A society where You do not need to listen to a descenting voice even if it is of wisdom.

MAKE YOUR CHOICE because I have made mine!!!!!!
Re: Is Islam Secure in It's Own Faith? (Part Three)
Abdulmumin posted on 09-29-2008, 00:55:13 AM
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Abdulmumin, you're compunding the problem! By the way, just when did the Muslim population reach 1.6 billion!!! Some even question the 1 billion figure since it is habitual for Islamic governments to lie about their population figures.


Deebee,

I am not compounding your problems. I and other muslims like me are your problem. You are the one compounding your problems by trying to wish us away but we aint going anywhere. We shall inhabit this planet of Allah till the very end of time and that is the point I earlier made.

The CIA Factbook puts the number of muslims on the face of the earth as 1.5billion strong (which can be approximated to my 1.6 billion sourced from our own stats), see link http://www.factbook.net/muslim_pop.php . Your comments however suggests that you have more facts at your disposal than even the CIA! Please!!!

There is no deity worthy of worship but Allah (God Almighty) and the Holy Prophet Muhammad is His Slave and Messenger.
Re: Is Islam Secure in It's Own Faith? (Part Three)
Abdulmumin posted on 09-29-2008, 01:08:05 AM
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Last week during a coffee break following a tasking surgery in the theatre, I had asked an Indian colleague of mine if he was a muslim. Without waiting to find out why I was asking, he said an emphatic \"no!\". He went further to say that if he was one he would long have changed religion. Of course he is Hindu. I have never been able to understand the mindset of people that practise a religion whose doctrine drips blood. That religion for all I care is like pestilence. It is like an incubus that has come to weigh down on modern civilization. From Afghanistan to Lebanon, from Australia to India, from Indonesia to Phillipines this religion of savages has always left its calling card: blood! Anyone might think we're still living in the days of Genghis Kan.


Why would your Hindu colleague not answer you with an emphatic 'no!'? What else would you expect from a person that worships cattle?

Talking of a religion whose doctrines drips blood confirms to me that you have never read the bible. Or at least studied the history of christianity. So do yourself a world of good by reading about christianity first so that you can be a better informed man rather than the ignoramus you currently are.
Re: Is Islam Secure in It's Own Faith? (Part Three)
Tunde meee posted on 09-29-2008, 06:34:19 AM
Assalam alaykum Brothers Abdul Mumin,Taslim,Khalil and others whose name I could not recall at the moment. Happy Eid-fitr and may The Almighty Allah reward us abundantly for the just concluded Ramadhan Kareem.

Abdul Mumin, it seems its your turn to battle these guys this time around. Be prepared for them all e.g allaccess,agidimolaja,lateesha etc.

They have things in common.
They bash Islam at will with falsehood even without reference. They knew next to nothing about the religion they proclaim and are prepared to even defend immorality as long as it serves their current purpose. When you give reference they don't bother to acknowledge like any academics would.
They are fixed to their ideas even when it is obviously delusional.
They are a waste of your precious time beacuse they peddled same lies against Islam as told by their predecessors on earth.
But what else do you expect from one who adds 1+1+1 to give 1?

From all written by Rudolph Okonkwo you may wonder what he meant by the Question he raised which is now in its third part
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