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2008

Was Jesus Born, Crucified And Resurrected? PDF Print E-mail
By Otonba M Akinfolarin

"Believing is easier than thinking. Hence so many more believers than thinkers." --Bruce Calvert

I received in my email box in the twenty-ninth day of the month of February in the year 2008 one of those FW, FW etc an email with an attachment of Microsoft PowerPoint. Which titled is ‘Death of Jesus’. I downloaded the attachment and saved it to my memory stick for reading or viewing when I am on my bed. The downloaded PowerPoint was opened and the slides played. The opening page depicted the following image of a lean man carrying a log on his back, fastened to the joints between the forearms and the upper arms of the man. Of course, this lean man is meant and to represent dramatically to be Jesus the God of the Christians. Above the head of the man, this is what’s written in capital letters: THE (SCIENTIFIC) DEATH OF JESUS.

I assumed the author enclosed the word ‘SCIENTIFIC’ to underscore the reality of the existence of Jesus in relation to his death. This is to say that the author might have done an investigation according to rules laid down in exact science for performing observations and testing the soundness of conclusions. Otherwise, it does not make sense to insert in a bracket the word ‘SCIENTIFIC’ if the author has not performed any observation premised on exact science. If it should be the case that the author has not performed any observation premised on exact science, but to beguile the reading publics; it is nothing other than a fraudulent claim in the name of science.

The second image that is pasted to the second slide on the second page is a complete different man depicted, as shown here. It is obvious to the naked eyes that here are two different men, which are meant to represent dramatically to be Jesus. If the lean man carrying a log on his back is Jesus, then the well-fed muscular man that is nailed to the cross must be an impostor. On the other way round, if the well-fed muscular man that is nailed to the cross is Jesus, the lean man carrying a log on his back by natural law of identification must be fake Jesus. I am fully aware that there are thousand plus one different images being circulated by Christians, purporting to be Jesus, right from the time it was first produced in the work of art. The point is that, no one, right from the day of the Fathers of the Church ever say with certainty, this or that one image is the very true representative of what the Christians’ God look like.

Before proceeding to the main subject of this essay, it is necessary and pertinent to present the historically verifiable sources of the formation of the word ‘bible’ and the development of its meaning. In other word the root meaning of the word ‘bible’.

The Christian sect presented to the whole world a collection of different manuscripts by different writers at different time as their sacred scripture and named it “The Bible”. The foundation belief of most Christian fundamentalists is in the inerrancy of their scripture, the Bible. After all, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” according to 2 TIMOTHY 3: 16. In addition this is corroborated in 2 PETER 1: 20-21; 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

At a period in time animal skin, namely goatskin was use for writing scroll. The Ancient Egyptians (Black people) developed the use of papyrus for writing and the place of its location was the Phoenician port Byblos (in the present day Lebanon) from which Egyptian papyrus was exported to Greece. Among the Greeks and in Latin the word ‘biblia’ is used denoting collection of scripts (books), which is derived from the original word of ‘biblos or bublos papyrus’, as a reference to the source of papyrus, which was Byblos. When the sacred Hebrew scripts (Talmud and Torah) were translated into Greek, in what is known as the Septuagint, Version, the collective name in Greek is Ta Biblia or "The Books". Today, all together that is called The Bible is the scriptures consisting of the Hebrew scriptures (Old) and Christian scriptures (New) Testaments, and the direct interpretation of Ta Biblia into English is The Bible. Thus, the historically verifiable sources of the formation of the word ‘The Bible’ is Ta biblia, which derived from Byblos.

That being said, we shall now commence our journey to answer the question: WAS JESUS BORN, CRUCIFIED AND RESURRECTED? This is going to be a three parts essay. The first part will be about the birth of Jesus; the second part will be about his supposed crucifixion and the third part about his resurrection.

Word of advice to the adherents and non-adherents of Christianity, is to get hold of their Bible and be like the people of Berea in the Acts 17: 10-11; 10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble (fair-minded) than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. This is to prove if my essay has the RING OF TRUTH or the gospels accounts was an INVENTION IN GODLIKE BIOGRAPHY FOR JESUS.

In all the life of the Christian faith, the Church have subjected their Scripture of which no one can say there was an original copy of the Bible, from which subsequent manuscripts were copied into differ versions. I am using the English-language Bible, the King James Version of 1611 as my source to answer the question: WAS JESUS BORN, CRUCIFIED AND RESURRECTED?

The birth of Jesus as related in the books of Matthew and Luke contradicted and negated one another. The contradictions leave a dispassionate examiner with objectivity that Matthew and Luke accounts, which contradicted one another cannot be accepted as the true evidence of historical Jesus. The accounts of Matthew and Luke were deriving from hearsay. The two writings describe narrative stories, written almost virtually in the third person. An eyewitness will write in the first person, not in the third person. In Luke 1:1-4, we can infer the author of Luke admitting to be an interpreter of earlier material and not an eyewitness. The accounts of Matthew and Luke portrayed Jesus as the offspring of a god and a mortal (MT 1:18-21 and LK 1:26-31). If these accounts were true, this made Jesus a demigod.

Matthew wrote that the Annunciation has occurred after Mary had conceived Jesus. Luke wrote that it occurred before conception. It is obvious both of them cannot be saying the truths contradicting each other. If both Matthew and Luke writings are given by the inspiration of Christian God, and the Christian God is omniscient (all-knowing), how could both of them receiving from the same source given contradicting accounts of the most important event about the conception of Jesus?

The prerequisite, which is required of one claiming the Messiah-ship is fore told in Jer. 23:5; 2 Sam. 7:12-13; Psalms 89:3-4, and 132:11. The theme of all the verses is that David's descent according to the flesh will be the Messiah. To establish the link between David and Jesus, Matthew and Luke give us the story of his genealogy. Matthew and Luke give two contradictory genealogies for Joseph (Matthew 1:2-17 and Luke 3:23-38). The father of Joseph is Jacob in Matthew 1:16, but Joseph’s father is Heli in Luke 3:23.

A table is created from the accounts of Matthew and Luke relating to the genealogy of Jesus. The table is named as Table 1. Matthew started stating his own accounts of the genealogy of Jesus from Abraham and ended it at Jacob begat Joseph. As for Luke, he began the genealogy of Jesus from Joseph and ended it at Adam that was the son of God.  The genealogy accounts of that of Matthew is transformed to start from Joseph and ended it at Abraham begat Isaac. The purpose of the transformation is to make comparison, inference and the reading intelligible.

Table 1: The comparison of Matthew and Luke Accounts of the Genealogy of Jesus.

Generation

Luke Genealogy Accounts (Luke 3:23-38)

Matthew Genealogy Accounts - Transformed

Matthew Genealogy Accounts - Untransformed (Matthew 1:2-17)

1

Joseph,

Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Abraham begat Isaac; and

2

 which was the son of Heli,

 which was the son of Jacob

Isaac begat Jacob; and

3

Which was the son of Matthat,

 which was the son of Matthan

Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;

4

 which was the son of Levi,

 which was the son of Eleazar

Judas begat Phares

5

 which was the son of Melchi,

 which was the son of Eliud

Phares begat Esrom; and

6

which was the son of Janna,

 which was the son of Achim

Esrom begat Aram;

7

which was the son of Joseph,

 which was the son of Sadoc 

Aram begat Aminadab;

8

Which was the son of Mattathias,

 which was the son of Azor

Aminadab begat Naasson; and

9

which was the son of Amos,

 which was the son of Eliakim

Naasson begat Salmon;

10

which was the son of Naum,

 which was the son of Abiud

Salmon begat Booz of Rachab;

11

which was the son of Esli,

 which was the son of Zorobabel

Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and

12

which was the son of Nagge,

 which was the son of Salathiel

Obed begat Jesse;

13

Which was the son of Maath,

 which was the son of Jechonias

Jesse begat David the king; and

14

which was the son of Mattathias,

 which was the son of Josias  about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;

15

 which was the son of Semei,

 which was the son of Amon

Solomon begat Roboam; and

16

which was the son of Joseph,

 which was the son of Manasses

Roboam begat Abia; and

17

which was the son of Juda,

 which was the son of Ezekias

Abia begat Asa;

18

Which was the son of Joanna,

 which was the son of Achaz

Asa begat Josaphat; and

19

which was the son of Rhesa,

 which was the son of Joatham

Josaphat begat Joram;

20

which was the son of Zorobabel,

 which was the son of Ozias

Joram begat Ozias;

21

which was the son of Salathiel,

 which was the son of Joram

Ozias begat Joatham; and

22

which was the son of Neri,

 which was the son of Josaphat

Joatham begat Achaz; and

23

Which was the son of Melchi,

 which was the son of Asa

Achaz begat Ezekias;

24

which was the son of Addi,

 which was the son of Abia

Ezekias begat Manasses; and

25

which was the son of Cosam,

 which was the son of Roboam

Manasses begat Amon; and

26

which was the son of Elmodam,

 which was the son of Solomon

Amon begat Josias;

27

which was the son of Er,

 which was the son of David the king of her that had been the wife of Urias;

Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

28

Which was the son of Jose,

 which was the son of Jesse

Jechonias begat Salathiel; and

29

which was the son of Eliezer,

 which was the son of Obed

Salathiel begat Zorobabel;

30

which was the son of Jorim,

 which was the son of Booz

Zorobabel begat Abiud; and

31

which was the son of Matthat,

 which was the son of Salmon

Abiud begat Eliakim; and

32

which was the son of Levi,

 which was the son of Naasson

Eliakim begat Azor;

33

Which was the son of Simeon,

 which was the son of Aminadab 

Azor begat Sadoc; and

34

which was the son of Juda,

 which was the son of Aram

Sadoc begat Achim; and

35

which was the son of Joseph,

 which was the son of Esrom

Achim begat Eliud;

36

which was the son of Jonan,

 which was the son of Phares

Eliud begat Eleazar; and

37

which was the son of Eliakim,

 which was the son of Judas

Eleazar begat Matthan; and

38

Which was the son of Melea,

 which was the son of Jacob

Matthan begat Jacob;

39

which was the son of Menan,

 which was the son of Isaac

Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

40

which was the son of Mattatha,

 which was the son of Abraham

Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

41

which was the son of Nathan,

 

Note: The fill colour cells are to display certain not so obvious information.

The Red cells are where Matthew and Luke disagreed and contradicted one another.

The Yellow cells are where the given names are by Matthew, only.

The Pink cells are where the given names are by Luke, only.

The Green cells are where the names appeared in the same sequence in the two accounts.

42

which was the son of David,

43

Which was the son of Jesse,

44

which was the son of Obed,

45

which was the son of Booz,

46

which was the son of Salmon,

47

Which was the son of Aminadab,

48

which was the son of Aram,

49

which was the son of Esrom,

50

which was the son of Phares,

51

which was the son of Juda,

52

Which was the son of Jacob,

53

which was the son of Isaac,

54

which was the son of Abraham,

55

which was the son of Thara,

56

which was the son of Nachor,

57

Which was the son of Saruch,

58

which was the son of Ragau,

59

which was the son of Phalec,

60

which was the son of Heber,

61

which was the son of Sala,

62

Which was the son of Cainan,

63

which was the son of Arphaxad,

64

which was the son of Sem,

65

which was the son of Noe,

66

which was the son of Lamech,

67

Which was the son of Mathusala,

68

which was the son of Enoch,

69

which was the son of Jared,

70

which was the son of Maleleel,

71

which was the son of Cainan,

72

Which was the son of Enos,

73

which was the son of Seth,

74

which was the son of Adam,

75

which was the son of God.

 

If we count from Abraham, that is making Abraham to be first generation in the genealogy of Jesus to Joseph where Matthew’s account terminated, we will be having forty generations. If we count from Joseph, that is making Joseph to be first generation in the genealogy of Jesus to Abraham according to Luke’s accounts, we will be having fifty-four generations. Matthew and Luke’s accounts have the differences of fourteen generations. This is to say that Matthew’s accounts have fourteen generations unaccounted for when compared with Luke’s account, and that of Luke have more generations accounted for by fourteen generations when compared with that of Matthew. As a result, reading the two accounts from Joseph to Abraham, the accounts of Luke is not analogous to the accounts of Matthew, with the exemption of the third generation; which is Matthat (Lk3: 24) and Matthan (Matt1: 15) and this is under the probability that there’s error in spelling.

Matthew has Joseph to be the son of Jacob (Matt1: 16) against Luke’s Joseph’s father to be Heli (Lk3: 23). Luke in the ninth generation has Amos to be the son of Naum (Lk3: 25), while Matthew have Eliakim to be the son of Abiud (Matt1: 13). Luke has Eliakim to be the son of Melea in the thirty-eighth generation (Lk3: 30-31), and made no mention of Abiud in his accounts.

It is obvious that the two genealogies are at variance with each other, and not that alone, they are as well not consistent with each other and genealogies given in the Old Testament (Lk3: 35-36 against Gen11: 12) and (Matt1: 7-9, and 17 against 1 Chro3: 10-13).

Albeit, of the contradictories within the two genealogies, the prerequisite, which is required of one claiming the Messiah-ship as foretold in (Jer. 23:5; 2 Sam. 7:12-13; Psalms 89:3-4, and 132:11), is not fulfilled. In addition, the claim of virgin birth by Matthew and Luke contradicted Apostle Paul that Jesus " was made of the seed of David according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3) and was " made of a woman, made under the law," not a virgin (Galatians 4:4). Even Paul’s words “under the law” contradicted Luke in (Lk2: 5) that Joseph and Mary were engaged, not married.

Rounding-up the virgin birth scenario, it is pertinent to say that Mark and John did not talk about virgin birth. Matthew, in order to substantiate his virgin birth scenario, he claimed that the birth of Jesus and the events following it fulfilled several Old Testament prophecies. Thus, he wrote, “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us” (Matt1: 23), in reference to Isaiah 7:14. According to the King James Version the verse says: "...Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and call his name Immanuel."

The actual Hebrew words, read from right to left is this and transliterated "laken yittan adonai hu lakem oth hinneh ha-almah harah ve-yeldeth ben ve-karath shem-o immanuel." Literally translated by Hebraic scholars into English, in the exact order of the Hebrew words, it reads: "Therefore shall-give my-lord he [himself] to you sign behold the-maid conceived [is pregnant] and-beareth son and- calleth name-his immanuel." Here the word “harah” (conceived) is the Hebrew perfect tense, which, as in English, represents past and completed action; there is not the remotest hint of future tense or time. No doctor of divinity or scholar in Hebrew can or will deny this.

When the sacred Hebrew scripts were translated into Greek, in what is known as the Septuagint, the Hebrew word “almah” is falsely translated to be “virgin” by the "false pen of the scribes" who translated Isaiah 7:14. Hebraic scholars say "almah" means a "young woman" or “maid”, not a virgin. They further contend that the real Hebrew word for virgin is "bethulah". To back up there arguments, reference is made to Gen. 24: 43 “Behold, I stand by the well of water; and it shall come to pass, that when the virgin (the word "bethulah" was used in Hebrew scripts) cometh forth to draw water, and I say to her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water of thy pitcher to drink;” and Ex. 2: 8 “And Pharaoh’s daughter said to her, Go. And the maid (the word “almah” was used in Hebrew scripts) went and called the child’s mother”. In addition, the Hebrew says in their Masoretic text that "almah" should be translated as the young woman, not virgin. Who knows Hebrew better, the Hebrews or the Gentiles?

Additional evidence that Isaiah 7:14 does not pertain to Jesus lies in the fact that Jesus was never referred to as Immanuel in the New Testament, is never called Immanuel except by those who do so in order to fulfil the prophecy, and, according to Luke 1:31, was to be called Jesus, not Immanuel. If the prophecy of Isaiah is applicable he should have been named Immanuel instead of Jesus.

The second prophecy that Matthew used to claim that the birth of Jesus and the events following it fulfilled several Old Testament prophecies is in Jer 31:15. It is clear that the weeping is for the Israelites about to be taken into exile in Babylon, the coming captivity of Judah. Matthew says in Matt 2: 16:  “Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men”. If this were true, John the Baptist, Jesus cousin that was six months old in Elisabeth’s womb (Lk1: 24-36) when angel Gabriel was delivering his message to Mary, would have been among the infants ordered to be slew by Herod. Thus, John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin, though under two is somehow spared without fleeing to Egypt. Another fact deduced from the genealogy according to Matthew’s accounts is that Matthew 1:12 relates that Joseph was from the line of Jeconiah. However, according to the prophecy of Jeremiah in Jer 22:28-30, there could be no king in Israel who was a Descendant of King Jeconiah. Had Joseph be the father of Jesus, Jesus could not have inherit the throne of David by right, since he was a relative of the cursed line.

Apart from the writings of Matthew and Luke relating to the birth of Jesus, which according to Mark, Jesus was a man and John maintained that he was God himself; there was no historian either of Hebrew race or gentile that mention the miraculous birth of Jesus.

Philo a historian of high repute was born before the Christian era. He wrote about Jews during the whole span of history that Jesus is said to have lived on earth. He was a resident of Jerusalem’s vicinity when Jesus miraculous birth and Herod ordered infants to be slew occurred. Yet, he did not mention these events. Hard to believe and highly unthinkable that Philo would have failed to write about Jesus if all what Matthew and Luke wrote relating to the birth of Jesus were true and real.

To be continuing in part two



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RobotRobot is offline

 # 1 | 26.03.2008 11:35

"Believing is easier than thinking. Hence so many
more believers ...Read the full article.

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 # 2 | 26.03.2008 16:33

Sweeeeeetl! Please keep on writing. Maybe the xtians FAKE jesus and bible can be exposed for the lies that it is to the xtians. I am already convinced. Can't wait for part 2.

Bring it on, prove with fact and figures.

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 # 3 | 26.03.2008 17:08

What facts and figures can dispel or annul the efficacy of the name of Jesus? I will keep a tab on this thread and if need be inject some thought provoking proofs that attest that Jesus Christ of Nazareth, is both Lord and Savior of mankind!!

Will bring in a premise that will perhaps hold all the naysayers spell bound. I have seen, touched, and experienced, the power of God.

nonsense and ingredients.

Will find time to respond appropriately, but for the time being, you may want to keep in mind the following:

The theme of the Gospel according to Matthew is to show Jesus as the King of Kings, hence His genealogy was traced to David; while that of Mark is to show Jesus as the Chief Servant, and as a servant, emphasis on His genealogy is inconsequential. The gospel according to Luke presents Jesus as the Perfect Man, hence His genealogy was traced to Adam. John, however, presents Jesus as Deity whose Beginning and the End remains a mystery.

There is no "reasoning" or "argument" that can unborn a born again. There is no research or postulation that can reverse the regenerative works of the Holy Spirit in a regenerated human spirit, so this debate is much ado about nothing from the get go. However, as this thread unfolds, I believe many shall be saved - contrary to your opinion.

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 # 4 | 26.03.2008 17:31

First of all, I disagree with Bruce Calvert whoever that is; believing in God and living by the doctrine of Christ is harder than being a thinker (another word for unbeliever), and that is why many today are trying hard to rationalize God out of existence. If man can justify that God don't exist and prove that the Bible is a hoax, then technically all of God's laws and instructions for living would have been proved to be void, and there will be no consequence for the way we live.

Look, it is totally possible that there are many inconsistencies in the Bible, but we cannot deny the many consistencies. Christianity survived 2000 years of onslaught and that counts for something. People are free to believe what they want to believe, and in fact you are free to not believe in anything at all. My faith in God and in Jesus Christ as the Savior of man is rooted in my personal experiences. I question many things in my Christian faith, and as a matter of fact I have many questions that remain unanswered either in the Bible or from my interaction with other Christians. However I also understand that man does not have all the answers, we don't have it all figured out. There are things we don't know and may never know until we all die and go to where spirits/souls go, if they do. I believe in God and in Jesus Christ not primarily for the hope of heaven but for the peace and joy that comes from living by the teachings of the Bible, here and now.

If it takes man's ability and intelligence to create our physical world of structures, roads, bridges, airplanes, functional transit systems, and so on, I am convinced it takes a much higher intelligence to create life and terrestrial order, and the sun, and the stars, etc..
I am a Christian!

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 # 5 | 26.03.2008 17:43


I will keep a tab on this thread and if need be inject some thought provoking proofs that attest that Jesus Christ of Nazareth, is both Lord and Savior of mankind!!


You want to prove this, Multioption?

I don't think that is a good idea at all!

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 # 6 | 26.03.2008 18:45

With due respect, I fail to understand what you are seeking to do.

For now please allow me to restrict my comments to the geneology. You seem to equate the absence of some of the names of the ancestors of Jesus in Matthew's geneology as a contradiction to Luke's account? May I suggest to you that Luke's account is simply fuller. John and Mark to my memory do not go into this but by the same logic it does not mean this absence indicates a contradiction.

Let me refer to an instance in Luke, Solomon was referred to as the son of the wife of Uriah, Matthew simply said son of David. But we know that David begat Solomon through Uriah's wife, so where is the contradiction?

The bible has to be taken has a whole in proper context, all the gospels supplement and compliment each other, filling in gaps and providing varied slants.

Together the gospels presents us with a fuller picture of who Jesus is than any single writer could.

Matthew emphasies the divinity of Jesus in his list and therefore organises his list into three groups of fourteen. (thirteen but the fourteeth is unto Christ) He dropped some names or telescoped the lists in order to achieve the desired number of generations of fourteen, this list there leaves out some names chronologically. He concentrated on fourteen because it is believed seven is the number of completeness and two sevens signify total perfection. Matthew also included women in his geanology, women were not usually included as they had no legal independent status. He included prostitute, like Tamar, Rahab, Ruth a Gentile from Moab, Uriah's wife, Bathsheba. Significantly he delibrately excluded notable names such as Sarah, Rebecca, Leah, Rachel, Deborah and Hannah.

Luke's reference to a 'heavenly' geneology emphasises that Jesus is the son of God, while the remainder of his 'earthly genealogy' stresses his real humanity, it streses that Jesus was a human being among us humans, in order to save humanity he became human in the real sense, he stresses this point by linking the humanity of Jesus to Adam and Eve, the founder of the human race. See Adeyemo, Tokunboh - (African Bible Commentary A One-Volume Commentary Written by 70 African Scholars)

I shall of course attempt to respond in fuller detail to different part of your articles as you wrrite for the benefits of the many readers.

With much Regard,

Olu


=Robot;4294999242>"Believing is easier than thinking. Hence so many
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MultioptionMultioption is offline

 # 7 | 26.03.2008 19:24


=Shoko Loko Bangoshe;4294999347>You want to prove this, Multioption?

I don't think that is a good idea at all!

I catch your drift, SLB. Yet, despite the seemingly off-limits of my statement (owing to semantics), I can use the human frailties to prove that Jesus is both Lord and Savior of mankind. The reality of Christ power transcends historical barriers that non-believers, more often than not, predicate their arguments.

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 # 8 | 26.03.2008 19:33

I believe in Eledumare. But I DO NOT BELIEVE in the christian or biblical god or Jesus.

I used to be a Christian. I am grateful to the Eledumare of my fathers for rescuing me and setting me free from the bondage of Christianity. I believe in Olorun as in Yoruba Concept with all its limitations. I have no use of the Jesus of the Christians because to my mind, it is very inauthentic.

The Eledumare of my fathers is more efficacious than the biblical god. I can proof this over and over.

All the christians know is to kill and maim, denigrate and insult other faiths rather than promote their own faith. They try to demonize Islam as if they are not more bloodthirsty than the later. It is time the christians wake up and smell the coffee that they are all hoodwinked.

This debate is a very good one. We can go into history, we can look around ourselves and see the duplicity of christianity. A house built on falsehood?

"THE MAN DIED IN HIM WHO KEEPS SILENT IN THE FACE OF TYRANNY." Wole Soyinka

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MultioptionMultioption is offline

 # 9 | 26.03.2008 19:48


=apanajare>I used to be a Christian.

How did you become a Christian before you switched tents, apanajare?


=apanajare>They try to demonize Islam as if they are not more bloodthirsty than the later.

How so? What crime did the Christians, or Christianity, or Christ, commit against Islam?


This debate is a very good one. We can go into history, we can look around ourselves and see the duplicity of christianity. A house built on falsehood?

What/whom exactly are you against: the faith or the Christians?

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MultioptionMultioption is offline

 # 10 | 26.03.2008 20:25

The article that triggered this thread is inconclusive yet...
 

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