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Does 'Olorun' Mean 'God' In English? PDF Print E-mail
By Otonba M Akinfolarin

The question asked is prompt because of the reactions of Christian adherents each time when the Christian-Yoruba people in particular and Nigerian in general are asked which ‘God’ they are preaching. Invariably, one gets the answer Olorun. I shall in this briefing to concisely present to all and sundry that Olorun (contraction of Olu-orun) does not mean or can it be interpret as ‘GOD’ as in English.

In the world that we are living, there are many different cultures that have brought about DIETIES that are acknowledged to be DIVINE. Thus, the Greece as other Aryan races acknowledged and believed that Zeus or Jupiter is divine deities and Theos the Being that has made and arranged all things.

In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah is used by Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity.

Brahman is the concept of the supreme spirit found in Hinduism.

The Hebrews speak of ELOHIM that express the concepts of divinity – the Canaanite father god is EL. Elohim, with ending – im, is plural and masculine, as a result, the Hebrews speak of the GODS (ELOHIM). One of the descendants of Jacob that gave birth to the twelve tribes of Israel, namely the tribe of Judah, before the phantom exodus from Egypt, know no divine deity. According to the dialogue between Moses and ‘God’ in the phantom burning bush that the descendants of Jacob and by extension the descendants of Abraham demonstrates that neither Moses nor the tribes of Israel ever heard of any "God of their fathers" (Ex. 3: 13). However, in (Ex. 6: 2,3), we read, "And God [Heb., Elohim] spoke unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord [Heb., anoki YHVH = I am Yahweh]: "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty [Heb., El-Shaddai, God my daemon], but by my name JEHOVAH (Heb., YHVH) was I not known to them". Thus, the Judaists (Jews) speak of Yahweh Elohim as Hebrew deity.

For the Christian, according to John Chapter 1, verses 1 and 14, which read: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us; ‘Jesus’ is their God as decreed during the First Council of Nicaea that was summoned by Emperor Constantine.

The English that brought Christianity to the shore of Yoruba land have their Anglo-Saxons gods, (Woden, Ingui, Thunor, Hengest, Tiw, Welund, Seaxneat and Horsa) and Goddesses (Helith, Freo, Eostre, Nerthus, Erce, Frige, Hretha and Mothers) ‘graven images’. Every one of these Anglo-Saxons gods and goddesses are worshipped, and others who may have been the object of much veneration, were known as the gods of the Heathen Anglo-Saxons.

As for the Yoruba before the incursion of foreign religions, their Exalted Being (if you like the Almighty) is Olodumare. The major deities they call ORISA - Divinity ((1) Orunmila – Eleri-ipin Ibikeji Olodumare (Ifa, if you like), (2) Obatala - Alabalase, and (3) Esu – Elegbara), and all other lesser deities are known as Imale (idols) such as Oya, Ogun, Sango, Agemo etc.

The preceding paragraph have laid to rest by what names are some DIETIES that are acknowledged to be DIVINE among different people on earth are known.

Let us now proceed to trace the true root meaning of ‘God’ in Anglo-Saxons, and in Christianity and see if it does and can connote Olodumare. Here I used the name Olodumare solely and not the compound Olu-orun Olodumare. Olu-orun is the appellation of Olodumare among the Yoruba. In addition, Olodumare is designated as Olu-orun, to all intents and purposes, for the reason that the dwelling of Olodumare is in the heavens.

The adherents of Christianity and Islam, the two foreign religions in Yoruba land contracted Olu-orun to Olorun, which is intended to be the Owner of the heavens. The reason was that the two foreign religions namely Christianity and Islam elected to use the appellation for Christian ‘God’ and Muslim ‘Allah’.

The derivation of the word ‘God’ is traceable to old English/Germanic god (guþ, gudis in Gothic, Gott in modern German).  The original meaning and etymology of the Germanic word god is somehow disputable, however most agree to a reconstructed Proto-Indo-European form. The form is hutóm, which is a passive perfect participle from the root of hu-, which expectedly meant "libation", "sacrifice". Putting side by side, we have: -

·        Vedic Sanskrit hu- = "to sacrifice".

·        Greek khu-, kheu- = "to pour".

·        Common Germanic strong verb geutan (Anglo-Saxon geotan) = "to pour", English in-got.

Expectedly, the connection between these meanings is through the meaning "pour a libation". Another potential meaning of hutóm is "invocation", related to Sanskrit huta.

The word God was used to represent Greek theos, Latin deus in Bible translations, first in the Gothic translation of the New Testament by Ulfilas.

In the aspect of the science of language, especially, historically and comparatively, Greek theos is said to be associated to Zeus, the chief god in Greek mythology, who has Deus in a genitive form. Latin Diespiter means Jupiter, major god in Latin mythology, dies + pater, day + father. In Sanskrit. deva is a god, as derived from the root div, heaven, and dui denoting day, shine and brightness (Lating niter). Thus, it is not out of place to say god as traceable from old English/Germanic connotes "pour a libation", an image (idol).

The Christian texts dominated the development of English conventional spelling.  As a result, the capitalised "God" was first used to refer to the Judeo-Christian concept, which now signifies any monotheistic conception of God, including the translations of the Arabic Allah, Yoruba Olorun etc.

Notwithstanding, the use of capitalisation, as for a proper noun does not remove the root meaning of the word ‘god’ as traceable from old English/Germanic connoting "pour a libation", an image (idol). It still stand that ‘God’ in Anglo-Saxon expresses "sacrifice"/"pour" (geotan) to a graven image (god – idol).

Without any iota of doubt it is obvious, and without any contradiction ‘God’ is ‘god’ and ‘god’ is ‘God’. Nevertheless, ‘God’ is use euphemistically as the concept of a singular God. In consequence, the King James Version of 1611 renders Elohim (that express the concepts of divinity – the Canaanite father god is EL. Elohim, with ending – im, is plural and masculine) as "God". In addition, kurios ho theos as "LORD God" (in the New Testament).

Since the source of the word, ‘God’ is established and readers are now knowledgeable about the root meaning of ‘God’, traceable to old English/Germanic god; we can now turn our attention to the derivation of the ‘God’ of the Christians. To establish the source of the ‘God’ of the Christians, we cannot withhold the important rolls that historical occurrences played. Therefore, knowing about what happened as at when and why, will assist us to understand beyond reasonable doubt, regarding the derivation of the ‘God’ of the Christians.

Inside (Catholic Encyclopaedia, op. cit., pp. 656-7) it is written that "the earliest of the extant manuscripts of the Christian Scripture (The New Testament), it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD". In essence the Church (Church in this sense meant Roman Catholic Church) is telling the whole world that not less than 350 years after the time the Church claims that a Jesus Christ walked the sands of Palestine, there were no Gospels. This is to say the Gospels were progressively writing from 350 AD. The reason for quoting this extraordinary admission of the Church is to establish the period in time when the ‘God’ of the Christians came into existence. By the admission of the Church, it is clear there were no record of any kind anywhere on earth about Jesus Christ earlier than the middle of the fourth century of the Common Era (C.E.).

By 325 C.E., Constantine had been consolidating his rule of the western empire for twenty years, and within those years, he had conquered the Eastern Roman empire, now he had acquired the entire Roman Empire.

By the admission of the Church about the "conversion" and "baptism" of Emperor Constantine to be "entirely legendary" (Catholic Encyclopaedia, Farley ed., vol. xiv, pp. 370-1), it is inferable, there was no Christian religion at Constantine's time.

There were clusters of presbyters that had developed different gods in the whole Roman Empire. Eusebius Pamphilus of Caesarea wrote that “Constantine noted that among the Presbyterian factions "strife had grown so serious, vigorous action was necessary to establish a more religious state", but he could not bring about a settlement between rival god factions (Life of Constantine, op. cit., pp. 26-8)”. Further, Eusebius Pamphilus said his advisers warned him that the presbyters' religions were "destitute of foundation" and needed official stabilisation (ibid.). As a result, the need for a new and State endorsed religion was in order. The Emperor, himself was initiated member of the religious order of Sol Invictus, a cult that regarded the Sun as the one and only ‘Supreme God’. So, it is not by accident that Christians worshiped on Sunday, the very day that Sol Invictus followers worshiped the Sun God. Now, to establish State endorsed Religion, the Emperor commanded all presbyters and their subordinates to the city of Nicaea.

What is known today, as Council of Nicaea was the first ecclesiastical gathering in the Church history. Emperor Constantine summoned attendees to the Council of Nicaea in June 21, 325 C.E.(AD). The summoned presbyters and their subordinates were instructed to bring along their written arguments. The total written arguments were “two thousand two hundred and thirty-one scrolls and legendary tales of gods and saviours, together with a record of the doctrines orated by them” (Life of Constantine, op. cit., vol. ii, p. 73; N&PNF, op. cit., vol. i, p. 518). From available record by a one-time Bishop of Llandaff in Wales (1782), namely Dr Richard Watson there were a total of 318, comprising "bishops, priests, deacons, subdeacons, acolytes and exorcists". All gathered to debate and decide upon a unified belief system that encompassed only one god. (An Apology for Christianity, 1776, 1796 reprint; also, Theological Tracts, Dr Richard Watson, "On Councils" entry, vol. 2, London, 1786, revised reprint 1791).

Julius Caesar was deified by the Roman Senate after his death (15 March 44 BC) and subsequently venerated as "the Divine Julius". The word "Saviour" was affixed to his name, its literal meaning being "one who sows the seed", i.e., he was a phallic god. Julius Caesar was hailed as "God made manifest and universal Saviour of human life", and his successor Augustus was called the "ancestral God and Saviour of the whole human race" (Man and his Gods, Homer Smith, Little, Brown & Co., Boston, 1952). Emperor Nero (54-68), whose original name was Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus (37-68), was immortalised on his coins as the "Saviour of mankind" (ibid.). The Divine Julius as Roman Saviour and "Father of the Empire" was considered "God" among the Roman masses for more than 300 years. He was the deity in some Western presbyters' texts, but was not recognised in Eastern or Oriental writings. (Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 14, Number 4 (June - July 2007)). This information is given so that all can know that the words "Saviour", "God made manifest”, and "Saviour of mankind" preceded Christianity. In other words, Christianity expropriates the words those were affixed to deify Julius Caesar and immortalised Emperor Nero; as affix to their ‘God’.

The motive of Constantine was to establish State endorsed Religion, a new Religion that was in his eyes that will be a social reform, which the empire needed at that time. This new Religion is to give birth to new ‘god’ for his empire that would unite all religious factions under one deity. The attendees argued among themselves, each advancing arguments that will of course favour their own special deity. Overall, 53 gods were tabled for discussion. "As yet, no God had been selected by the council, and so they balloted in order to determine that matter... For one year and five months the balloting lasted..." (God's Book of Eskra, Prof. S. L. MacGuire's translation, Salisbury, 1922, chapter xlviii, paragraphs 36, 41).

The record of proceedings at the gathering of the presbyters indicated that over seventeen months of heated debate produced no consensus on a new deity. However, by balloting, the presbyters had succeed eliminating 48 gods out of the 53 gods that were tabled for discussion, by the time Constantine returned to Nicaea. The five short listed prospects were: Caesar, Krishna, Mithra, Horus and Zeus (Historia Ecclesiastical, Eusebius, c. 325).

For the purpose of fusing together the two geographical regions of the empire, namely Western Roman Empire and Eastern Roman Empire, religious wise, Constantine rule that the name of the great Druid/Gaul god - the Respected One, Hesus (Esus), be joined with the Eastern Saviour-god, Krishna (Krishna is Sanskrit for Christ).  This god Esus, Hesus was first mention in a classical writing of a Roman poet, Lucan, (M. Annaeus Lucanus) in the first book of his Pharsalia, dating from the first c. AD, the last great battle in the civil war between Pompey and Caesar (Pharsalia I, 444-6). Lucan stressed that the god was worshipped with human sacrifice, and that it was apparently more or less well-known local god, among other gods.

Through voting by the 318 attendees, by the show of hands, the majority elected that the Respected One, Hesus and Saviour-god, Krishna became one ‘God’. In consequence, by Roman deification decree, Constantine legally deified two deities as one, through democratic consent. A new god was proclaimed and "officially" ratified by Constantine (Acta Concilii Nicaeni, 1618). In so doing, the official name for the new Roman god is Hesus Krishna, which subsequently evolved into “Jesus Christ”, when by the ninth century the letter “J” was now in the alphabets.

In 1711, a stone pillar was discovered buried under the choir of the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris. It depicts the "pagan god", "Esus", cutting branches from a tree. "Esus", is the variant of the name "Jesus". This pillar is dated to around the time of Christ. In Spanish Jesus is pronounced Hesus.

The doctrine of the Incarnation lies at the heart of the Christian religion (to be incarnate means to have a body of flesh). In John Chapter 1: 1-2 and 14 we read: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) The same was in the beginning with God. (14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The pagan “logos” was Christianise, to be the ‘WORD’. The Catholic Encyclopaedia says: “Always the Church has {134} forcefully moulded words, and even concepts (as Saviour, Epiphany, Baptism, Illumination, Mysteries, Logos,) to suit her own Dogma and its expression. It was thus that John could take the expression ‘Logos,’ mould it to his Dogma, cut short all perilous speculation among Christians, and assert once for all that the ‘Word was made Flesh’ and was Jesus Christ.” (CE. xi, 392.).

We have now positively and convincingly substantiated the Pagan source of the ‘Christ’, to be the Pagan Myth, -the old Greek "Logos" of a Greek philosopher. The invention of the ‘Logos’ doctrine was credit to a Greek philosopher Heraclitus, who lived 535-475 before ‘Christ’, and had never heard of ‘Christ’. In addition, as they say the rest is history.

Our journey have taken us through etymological journey to discover and trace the root meaning of 'God', traceable to old English/Germanic god, as well as looking into the annals of Roman empire history to establish the root source of the Christianity ‘God’. We are now ready to trace the true root meaning of Olu-orun Olodumare the Exalted Being (if you like the Almighty) in Yoruba land.

The most revered Being among the Yoruba in harmony with the dictation of their religious belief (Ifa) is Olu-orun Olodumare. The Yoruba do not worship Olu-orun Olodumare; they serve Olu-orun Olodumare and worship Orisa. Late Canon E. M. Lijadu got that clarification from an Ifa high Priest when written about Ifa belief.

The word Olu-orun as mentioned above is the appellation of Olodumare among the Yoruba. In fact, the word Olu-orun composed of two words in Yoruba and conveying Olodumare 's appellation. The word Olu in Yoruba in its general usage among the people is a reference to superiority. Accordingly, we have Olu-ko to be teacher, Olu-ode to be Chief hunter, Olu-pama to be Chief protector etc. In addition, wives sometime refer to their husbands as Oluwa-mi, which is my Lord. Therefore, The word Olu in Yoruba is tantamount in meaning to Lord in English.

The word Orun is derived from ancient Egyptian word for “Sky” or “Heavens”, which is Horu. The ‘H’ is elided to have pure Yoruba noun that begin with vowel ‘o’, and ‘n’ is added for nasal pronunciation (The Religion of the Yorubas pp 12-14 and p 36, by The Venerable Archdeacon J. Olumide Lucas). An in general the syllable Ol or Ol is generally used to denote ownership or agency. We know already how the word Orun is derived and what it connotes. Conclusively, the word Olu in Yoruba is tantamount in meaning to Lord in English and Orun in Yoruba is tantamount in meaning to Heaven in English. Therefore, Olodumare's appellation is Lord-of-Heaven or Heavenly Lord. In essence, this implied that the Yoruba in the heavenly realm assigned a title to Olodumare the Supreme Being as they assign titles to human beings in the earthly realm. Without any iota of doubt that Olu-orun, which the adherents of the two foreign religions in Yoruba land contracted to be Olorun is not the name by which the Yoruba call the Supreme Being.

Now it is time to derive the true root meaning of Olodumare, The Ever-righteous One as given by Bishops Crowther and Johnson. Olodumare has components parts and one have to understand the meaning of the components parts. The components parts are as follow: Ol’odu-ma-re and all together is pronounced as Olodumare. The syllable Ol’ in this instance as an agency together with Odu, which is contracted to Olodu in its far-reaching form, is indicating completeness.

The word Odu is used for things that are foremost, of pre-eminent status in Yoruba land. Thus, Olodu connote in this instance Exalted Being or Exalted One to use the word of Bishops Crowther and Johnson. The last part of the components parts is expressing the idea among the Yoruba that the soul return to the Exalted Being after death. This is ‘Ma-re” and this word simply meant, “I shall go or I must go”, which is in existence and is enshrined in the word Olodumare. This concept of returning to the Exalted Being after death can be heard in some Yoruba sayings, for examples “Gbogbo ohun ti a ba se li aiye li ao duro ka ni asalu orun (We shall have to give an account of everything that we do in this world when we reach Hall of heaven)”. Nigbati mo ba ku, emi pelu re yio lo ro o niwaju Olu-orun (Whenever I die, both of us will have to state our case before the Heavenly-Lord. It thus clearly shows by the name of the Exalted One that the Yoruba concept of after death judgment and presence before the throne of Olu-orun Olodumare predated the coming of Christianity and Islam. In all it fullness and completeness Olodumare, without mischievousness, the holistic translation of the word Olodumare to English is THE EXALTED BEING TO WHOM I MUST RETURN.

Although, the title of this essay is ‘DOES OLORUN MEAN ‘GOD’ IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE?’, but we can infer four important conclusions. Namely: -

    Adherents of Ifa and Christianity do not believe in the same ‘Supreme Being’. Olorun or Olu-orun is not and does not translate to ‘God’ in English language. Olorun or Olu-orun is not the name of the ‘Supreme Being’ in Yoruba belief (Ifa). It is a title. Olodumare is not and does not translate to ‘God’ in English language.

Is it Ifa or Christianity adherents that are serving and worshiping the true SUPREME BEING? I welcome readers’ vigorous feed back in light of this composition.

 

By Otonba M Akinfolarin

London, United Kingdom

Otonba.akin@gmail.com 

 



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 # 1 | 24.12.2007 09:12

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 # 2 | 24.12.2007 12:10

1 u cnt discount ppls intention when they use dt word olorun my mom is a pastor and my nAME IS IFEOLUWA BUT COS WE ARE FRM EKITI SHE CALLS ME UFEOLORUN ATTIMES ,WJICH I LOVE SO MUCH
IN EVRYDAY LIFE WE USE LITERAL TRANSLATION WHEN IT COMES TO LANGUAGE THIS CNT B AN EXCEPTION SO THERE4 GOD IS OLORUN
COS WHEN A YORUBA PERSON MENTIONS OLORUN IF HE HIS A CRISTAIN,HIS INTENTION OR ASSUMPTION IS DT HE HIS REFERING TO DSAME GOD THE FATHER OF THE TRINITY SO DTS THE MAIN TINGY ME FFRIEND, U CNT DISCOUNT INTENTION

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 # 3 | 24.12.2007 18:15

Thank you very much for this article. It's enlightening. Undoubtedly, articles like yours are of utmost importance in order for us (Yorubas) to understand our culture, tradition and language better. They go a long way not only in identifying our roots, but also help in rediscovering and redefining our collective identity as a nation.

Coming to Europe is an eye opener for me. On getting to Europe, I did a lot of thinking about my culture, tradition, language and religion, and the place they occupy viz-a-viz other cultures and languages. And I discovered, without any exaggeration, that the Yorubas have a very developed culture, tradition and language (which unfortunately we don't cherish) compared to other nations. Unfortunately, the Europeans have done very serious damage to our culture. Many of us are even ashamed to communicate with one another in it. We have been brain washed by the Europeans that everything about us is inferior, including our cultute, tradition, language, religion, e.t.c. As a result we have lost confidence in ourselves. We have abadoned our indigenous religions and took to Xtianity and Islam. We fell for the "cock and bull" story that one Jesus, a Jew born in Nazareth, hundreds of thousands of kilometers away from Yorubaland, died on the cross for our sins and all other bla bla. It's really very unfortunate.

I am afraid to say that we will continue to grope in the dark unless we go back to our roots; our culture, tradition, language and religion. I will be obliged if you could right more articles on this and other related topics. We need more articles on our culture, tradition, language and religion, most especially on IFA. You might even want to write books on these topics

P.S. Your name, "Otonba," does not sound/look like a Yoruba name to me. Can you please explain the origin and meaning of your name?

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 # 4 | 24.12.2007 20:06

Excellent article. And true words : We met the word "Olorun" complete. We added nothing to it and Christianity/Islam has added nothing to it. Words and their meanings of course belong forever to those who first devised them...especially if the word represents a fully formed idea.

Yoruba (I'm sure) do not mind sharing the word "Olorun" with other Yoruba who have a preference for the Christian/Islamic religion. This is a situation that has existed with no deadly ill-effects since the first coming of the Christian/Islamic religion to Yoruba lands. However, over the last couple of decades, a set of progressively aggressive new identities based around religion has emerged from amongst our people. These identities can be described as hyphenated Yoruba and, they are distinct because they make themselves so through various acts and pronouncements that seek to re-define what it means to be a Yoruba person who practices Christianity or Islam.

They are also known to engage in the sweeping demonisation of all other Yoruba who do not pray as they do.

In short, existing and potential tensions amongst Yoruba who have no other difference than how they pray can be directly traced to the attempts by hyphenated Yoruba to re-define the sacred with their alien derived concepts.

Now, since the Yoruba-Christian or the Yoruba-Muslim can only ever be in spiritual communion with his/her co-religionists, why not simply identify fully with those co-religionists? What is stopping them?

The hyphenated human is one with split consciousness and where such a one is partnered with another whose consciousness does not share the same configuration, neither will achieve his (or her) full potential.

In other words, while the current three-way split between the Yoruba may appear to be relatively harmless right now, if it persists, then it will deepen and, as it deepens, the condition of the Yoruba will deteriorate over the long-term.

Which is why geo-political strategists who are aware of the benefits of such a deterioration have been giving all the support they can to their 'native' agents of cultural infection.

If we wish to see the effects of such an infection over the long-term, we only need look toward the Sudan where people who look African have finally succeeded in eliminating the identity that accompanies their genotype from their consciousness. So, we now have people who are black as coal referring to themselves as "Arabs". And we need not think that this only works amongst those exposed to Arabist ideology; there are many other Africans in Europe, the Americas and the Caribbean, who after centuries of immersion in the Judeo-Christian pond, now find it offensive to be identified as Africans...even though they look unmistakeably African.

In fact, were it not for the historical rejection of their shared humanity by European-Americans, many more African-Americans would never have thought of looking towards Africa for their roots.

However, we are now witnessing the realisation by sections of the Euro-American intellectual elites that all the Africans amongst them need is just a little recognition, that all they need is the relatively insignificant bone that is personified by some form of individual 'achievement' . Give these Africans a bone, says the realisation, and they would be ready to commit fully to the Euro-American project.

In other words, they would be prepared to be 100% "Americans" (and no longer "African-Americans").

And from that we see the answer to the question asked above...all it would take to make the Yoruba-Christian turn fully Christian would be the full embrace and acknowledgement of the Euro-Christian world.

Of course, in reality, there is no such thing as a "Euro-Christian world"; the label is nothing more than a mask of convenience. Which means that the Yoruba person who commits his/her loyalty to what he/she thinks is a larger world-wide Christian family is actually doing nothing more than committing self to the world-wide Euro project. He (or she) is doing the same as the African in Sudan who in the name of Islam, committed self to the world-wide Arabist project.

Already, I am sure that several people on this web-site know of families living in Nigeria who refuse to speak Yoruba to their children. People who take great pride in their "good English" and who fight with all their might to erase obvious traces of Yoruba culture from their personal environment. They may only be few now, but if the deconstruction of the process is not widely deseminated so that it can be recognised for the tool of cultural genocide that it is, then, a few generations down the line, we might have a substantial percentage of Yoruba who will have no cultural ties to the Yoruba we know today.

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 # 5 | 25.12.2007 10:59

Dear Otunba,
Thank you very much sir for this enlightening article. It is indeed very educative. Evrn if anyone might like to challenge or disapprove your writing, still there is a systematic cum logical basis from which to begin.
And as your article has shown, even erudite judeo-christian intelectuals, whose singular purpose was to convert the Yorubas, first took time to study and understand the people with whom they were dealing. hence, they could talk from a position of knowledge and perhaps charisma, which probably made their jobs easier.
Its different nowadays, what we are increasingly having are the intellectually lazy and culturally arrogant lots; quick to denounce what they do not understand and claim what they cannot achieve. They give false hope, derail bright minds, render numb potentially productive minds and cause stagnation in an econoy that should otherwise be robust.
And one just endlessly wonder, to what purpose? To what purpose is it all?

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 # 6 | 25.12.2007 12:08

Thanks for this article which is timely and befitting of the season. I have always taken interest in topics like this because deep in me, I believe a cultural rebirth of the black race lies in rediscovering our root. I have often made it clear that there must be something about the black race that has continued to hinder its development and that is fast-tracking its annihilation.

I feel very elated that your article has confirmed my position that the word "god" is a general name for something that is thought to have given birth to the universe. The christain god and moslem allah do not have any semblance to the gods we worship. Just a few weeks back, I stumbled on a web site in which it was mentioned that the people who translated the bible into english made a mistake, maybe intentional, by saying that elohim which means gods is god. It is also interesting that the greeks who are said to have written the original bible were themselves polytheists. It is also curious why these people should have written the bible when the jews had a form of writing.

The people who brought these foreign religions to us tried to demonize us by saying that we worship things that cannot hear and speak. This was a subtle way to render us culturally impotent. In our traditional religions we believe in worshipping the almighty through mediums such as trees, rivers, stones. There is really nothing wrong in carving an image and invoking the spirit of the almighty into it, afterall man tend to only identify with what he can see. Given that such a practice is ill-informed, there is no justification for the almighty to be offended when people take to this form of worship because there was never a time the almighty handed down a blue print to man on how to worship it/he/she/them.

Recently, I have come to take interest on the existence of extraterrestials. It appears very plausible that indeed, people have come in contact with alien beings in the distant past. If the face and pyramids on Mars are true, then it could mean man came from other planets to populate the earth. A hint of our contact with these beings might be in our folklore. No matter what position one holds, its reasonable to say that man needed help to survive in his evolution or creation. I used to ponder how africans survived in the early days with wide animals all around them and exposed to the elements. And how did the europeans survive the harsh winters without heating? These alien beings might be the so-called angels we hear in christianity and islam.

In my childhood, my grand dad told me a story whereby, some spiritual beings come to
lead people home who missed their way in the jungle. This is what our people called spirits. Just like the author asked, are what we refer to as spirits identical with what we have in the bible? The answer is a big no. Remember that time there was no form of clock. People get lost in the bush without having any form of compass.

From what is happening in christianity and islam one could deduce that these religions would eventually die since they are founded on fraud. Christianity is already on its way out in europe. Churches are being converted or sold due to lack of attendance. Maybe islam has not reached the climax of evil. Even if we agree that christianity is real, it has no relevance to the black race since we must learn foreign languages to understand it.

We of the black race must come together to reinvent ourselves, we must ask why we are the scum of the earth.I have said it before that the black man's problem is something spiritual. There must be a reason why the white man came to colonialize us. And we must find out why the black man hates anything black. We should stop deluding ourselves that civilization started in Africa because of Egypt. At the time the pyramids were built, black Africa had no contact with Egypt. Our great grand parents never heard the word egypt.The egyptians themselves never accept that they are Africans.

It is high time we stop deceiving ourselves that our salvation lies in the god of Abraham and Isaac, and the allah that the Arabs created to counter the biblical god. It is high time our people do away with their ignorance by going to die in Mecca every year. If stoning the devil in Mecca is symbolic, why not build a similar structure somewhere in Kano or Sokoto? Who will cure our people of their ignorance?

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 # 7 | 25.12.2007 14:00


overdryv
We of the black race must come together to reinvent ourselves, we must ask why we are the scum of the earth.I have said it before that the black man's problem is something spiritual. There must be a reason why the white man came to colonialize us. And we must find out why the black man hates anything black.



Please do not buy into the self-denigration that 'we ... are the scum' Not only are you nurturing mental colonisation by internalising the falsehood of separate races, you are also damaging your spirit by accepting the inferiority of being scum. The European was able to militarily colonise African territory because of the European culture of acquiring technologies of destruction and using same technology to indulge its developed culture of extreme violence towards any peaceful, ignorant or weak people. To avoid repeat in future, it will be best to do what Japan did to remove christainity from corrupting its indigenous culture during the Meiji(?) dynasty. They drove out the missionaries, and put to the sword any of their people who wanted christian salvation. The Shinto spirituality of the Japanese people has many similarities with Yorubo spirituality of the Yoruba people. Shintoism has helped the Japanese into being the most technically advanced culture on Earth. The trouble for Yoruba people is twofold: first their tolerance of religious plurality has enabled hostile religons to plant deep roots in the popular psyche; second reluctance to openly adhere to Yorubo and use its spiritual guidance to acquire knowledge from other people.


We should stop deluding ourselves that civilization started in Africa because of Egypt. At the time the pyramids were built, black Africa had no contact with Egypt. Our great grand parents never heard the word egypt.The egyptians themselves never accept that they are Africans.


The civilisation of Kemet (ancient Egypt) started in the Nile source area,of Sudan and Ethiopia. There are more pyramids in Sudan than there are in Egypt. There are no pyramids in Arabia or Europe. There is no record (hieroglyphics, statues, etc) of Arabic or Judaic(Persian) influence at the time many of the early pyramids in Egypt and Sudan were built. By the way, you may notice that recent maps of Sudan show it demarcated into three regions with the Darfur and South Sudan regions land-locked. The battle in Darfur is to cleanse Africans from there and prepare the ground for assault on Chad and then Northern Nigeria.

There is no record whatever of European contact or influence record in Kemet. Europeans moved down from the Nordic regions to occupy western Asia, which is now called Europe. Arab and Persian invaders moved from Saudi Arabia and Iran/Iraq to conquer Kemet and take over the North of Africa. Over the years they killed the authentic peoples of North Africa and moved south. This process is in evidence in the middle belt African states of Sudan, Chad, Mali, Niger and has already preceded with religious authoritarianism (Sharia) in Nigeria. The invader-settlers of Europe, Egypt/North Africa and Israel are involved in massive 'reconstruction' of history, fabrication of documents (dead sea scrolls, turin shroud) and 'refurbishment' of hard evidence (sculptures, pyramids) in order to asset their battle-won heritage.

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 # 8 | 25.12.2007 14:01

Austin
And one just endlessly wonder, to what purpose? To what purpose is it all?
I fear that this century will see the re-emergence of elite families domination over a debt-ridden and spiritually-misguided world population. The vehicles are one-world government to enforce the laws of global markets and finance (World Bank / IMF / the private family owned 'Central' banks), one-world police (the USA military / NGO network) and one-world religion disguising as 'humanism' (United Nations).
I fear also that the negative eugenics of the last century will be made manifest by the genetics engineering that was born of that eugenic agenda. There is no room of peaceful, ignorant or weak people in that agenda.

At the risk of seeming arrogant, the Yorubo spirituality offers a complete basis for winning the 'hearts and minds' of African-heritage people for the coming wars. For this reason, Yorubo adherents must become evangelists, with a missionary duty to win adherents to the true divinity of man. The longer 'black people try to 'go along in order to get along' with others, the more their divinity will be reduced to scum, and the sooner they will be cleansed.

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 # 9 | 25.12.2007 16:25

Iyaalata,

Thanks for being civil in your post. One doesnt see that so often on NVS. Its true one may abhor the idea of calling the black race the scum of the earth, but the reality on the ground helps to fortify this position. What with millions of african children dying every year from preventable diseases. What with the several hundreds of Africans who die yearly trying to make it to any european dry land. From the technological advancement we see today, one can say without any fear contradiction that we live in a white man's world. The blacks who have made their mark in various fields are living permanently in the west. Americans are said to have landed on the moon or so we are told. If today's achievements are the yardstick to measure progress, in what areas would the black man excel?

My main point of contention is that the white man coming to colonialise us, put us in a weak position. It is like going to invade a herd of gorillas in the jungle. Before their arrival, in what state were we? Sometimes I watch programs on TV that were shot hundreds of years agohere in europe. Why is technological knowledge flowing from the west? Knowledge itself is something cosmic, something that happens to one instanteneously without making any effort. If this is so then the black race has to look for solutions in the cosmic realm. At what stage of creation or evolution are we in? Does it mean the white are more developed beings than us? What about the theory of the earliest man that is said to have lived in Africa?

It is rather suspicious that the whites are trying to champion our salvation. This is obviously an attempt to subject us to mental slavery but that is not easily understood by laymen like me. There must be something which the white man has noticed in us and wants to bring us down at all costs. The rape of our religions has been going on for centuries. I was in Brazil and was surprised to see that some yoruba deities are still being worshiped. But back home pseudo-religious sects have sprung up here and there.

On the issue of Egypt, what you said is a real eye opener but all the same it is damn too complex to understand the intricacies surrounding these warrior settlers. You sound rather authoritative on this issue.If we hold on to the mantra that civilization started in Africa because of the exploits of ancient Egypt, what is then responsible for our present stagnation?

There is a need for people to come together to discuss what path to tow towards the future. We have to discard the idea that the yoruba for instance came from Sudan or that they came from a hole in the ground. We must sensitize our people on the need to refocus on their culture. But that wouldnt be an easy task with the likes of Adeboye and TB Joshua pulling huge crowds.

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 # 10 | 25.12.2007 16:33


=overdryv;4294975260>Thanks for this article which is timely and befitting of the season. I have always taken interest in topics like this because deep in me, I believe a cultural rebirth of the black race lies in rediscovering our root. I have often made it clear that there must be something about the black race that has continued to hinder its development and that is fast-tracking its annihilation.

I feel very elated that your article has confirmed my position that the word "god" is a general name for something that is thought to have given birth to the universe. The christain god and moslem allah do not have any semblance to the gods we worship. Just a few weeks back, I stumbled on a web site in which it was mentioned that the people who translated the bible into english made a mistake, maybe intentional, by saying that elohim which means gods is god. It is also interesting that the greeks who are said to have written the original bible were themselves polytheists. It is also curious why these people should have written the bible when the jews had a form of writing.

The people who brought these foreign religions to us tried to demonize us by saying that we worship things that cannot hear and speak. This was a subtle way to render us culturally impotent. In our traditional religions we believe in worshipping the almighty through mediums such as trees, rivers, stones. There is really nothing wrong in carving an image and invoking the spirit of the almighty into it, afterall man tend to only identify with what he can see. Given that such a practice is ill-informed, there is no justification for the almighty to be offended when people take to this form of worship because there was never a time the almighty handed down a blue print to man on how to worship it/he/she/them.

Recently, I have come to take interest on the existence of extraterrestials. It appears very plausible that indeed, people have come in contact with alien beings in the distant past. If the face and pyramids on Mars are true, then it could mean man came from other planets to populate the earth. A hint of our contact with these beings might be in our folklore. No matter what position one holds, its reasonable to say that man needed help to survive in his evolution or creation. I used to ponder how africans survived in the early days with wide animals all around them and exposed to the elements. And how did the europeans survive the harsh winters without heating? These alien beings might be the so-called angels we hear in christianity and islam.

In my childhood, my grand dad told me a story whereby, some spiritual beings come to
lead people home who missed their way in the jungle. This is what our people called spirits. Just like the author asked, are what we refer to as spirits identical with what we have in the bible? The answer is a big no. Remember that time there was no form of clock. People get lost in the bush without having any form of compass.

From what is happening in christianity and islam one could deduce that these religions would eventually die since they are founded on fraud. Christianity is already on its way out in europe. Churches are being converted or sold due to lack of attendance. Maybe islam has not reached the climax of evil. Even if we agree that christianity is real, it has no relevance to the black race since we must learn foreign languages to understand it.

We of the black race must come together to reinvent ourselves, we must ask why we are the scum of the earth.I have said it before that the black man's problem is something spiritual. There must be a reason why the white man came to colonialize us. And we must find out why the black man hates anything black. We should stop deluding ourselves that civilization started in Africa because of Egypt. At the time the pyramids were built, black Africa had no contact with Egypt. Our great grand parents never heard the word egypt.The egyptians themselves never accept that they are Africans.

It is high time we stop deceiving ourselves that our salvation lies in the god of Abraham and Isaac, and the allah that the Arabs created to counter the biblical god. It is high time our people do away with their ignorance by going to die in Mecca every year. If stoning the devil in Mecca is symbolic, why not build a similar structure somewhere in Kano or Sokoto? Who will cure our people of their ignorance?




COULD THIS BE THE BEGINNING OF OUR RENNAISSANCE AS A RACE?

Overdryv.

Thank you very much for this comment! I have in you what the Russians call "Единомышленники," i.e. "Likemended" or "People that share the same belief." I am glad that some of us are not only rediscovering ourselves or identity, but we are now BOLD ENOUGH to view our views OPENLY; without caring whether we are in the majority or minority. There is a book that I brought with me to Russia from Nigeria titled "The Bible, Quran and science," written by a French scientist. In the book, using scientific and geographical discoveries, he was able to prove that THERE ARE LOTS OF DISREPANCIES IN THE BIBLE AND THAT ALL THE SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION IN THE BIBLE CONTRADICT PRESENT DISCOVERIES. This book is highly recommended for reading.

If you don't mind me asking you for a little favour. Could you please rewrite the above comment of yours and post it as a seperate article on NVS. Better, if you could take your time and devote a whole book to this topic. Believe me, it is worth the effort. This is a very important topic concerning our roots. IF YOU CAN WRITE A BOOK ON THIS TOPIC, YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THIS TOPIC WILL BE INVALUABLE. YOU WILL BE LEAVING A LEGACY FOR GENERATIONS OF BLACKS TO COME. YOU SIMPLY CAN NOT THINK OF A BETTER WAY OF MAKING YOUR NAME LIVE FOREVER.I am more than convinced that Africans are now groping in the dark in terms of culture, tradition, customs, language, religion, e.t.c. We have abandoned our roots and identities and taken to artificial/imposed/imported cultures, traditions, customs, languages, religions, e.t.c. THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN TO A RACE IS THE LOSS OF ITS CULTURE, TRADITION, LANGUAGE AND RELIGION. WITHOUT ALL THESE, YOU LOSS YOUR IDENTITY. AND WITHOUT YOUR IDENTITY, YOU ARE NOBODY. AND WHEN YOU ARE NOBODY, YOU LOSS YOUR SELF-CONFIDENCE AND ANYBODY TELL YOU ANYTHING AND YOU ACCEPT IT WITHOUT DOING YOUR OWN INDEPENDENT THINKING OR ANALYSIS. AND WHEN YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT IS BEING SAID, MOST ESPECIALLY ABOUT YOU, YOU LOSS YOUR SOUL. AND WHEN YOU LOSS YOUR SOUL YOU ARE JUST A BODY WITH A DEAD SOUL. AND WHEN YOU ARE JUST A BODY WITH A DEAD SOUL, YOU ARE NOT RESPECTED BY ANYBODY. THIS DISCUSSION REMINDS ME OF TWO OF JAMES BALDWIN'S, THE LATE AFRO-AMERICAN WRITER, BOOKS "NOBODY KNOWS MY NAME AND THE FIRE NEXT TIME." They are highly recommended too when carrying out your research for the book. No doubts about it that the gods and our ancestors are not only angry with us but they have CURSED US!
 

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