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I am afraid there is no “sit down dialogue” with Muslims, they only know one thing, Kill the people you don’t like or disagree with. If you look at their history you will see they only call a ceasefire when things are not going their way. If not for the might and firepower of Israel and America, Israel will be extinct by now. We all know too well what this religion is capable of doing; all you have to do is look in places where they have a sizable population.

I seriously suggest you conduct a proper research on whether Islam advocates peace.
There is empirical evidence that the religion was founded on the platform of intolerance and violence, so much that they cannot live side by side other religions without trying to forcefully convert them.

Islam has been on the forefront of murder, bloodshed and massacres since the inception of the faith; its very nature advocates the murder of non-Muslims from the days of the crusades to the present day 21st century.

Many Muslims don’t find martyrdom in the name of name of extremism; they do it the name of Islam. Get your facts right. When you mentioned dialogue to address the issues that gives rise to fundamentalism and extremism I had to laugh, how can you reason with even the “good ones” who claim the reason the bad ones murder innocent people is because of western policies in the Middle East? Many “good Muslims” know who these criminals are but are unwilling to root them out.

We are dealing with an illiterate phenomenon, rife with backwardness that is at conflict with modern day civilised ideals. There is no other way to deal with this threat than what Israel and America are doing. If you want peace, be prepared to go to war. That is the sad reality of life.

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Bennie,
Good write-up but Oghre rightly nipped it in the bud but as precaution, i'd prefer we dont tennis ball this very volatile issue beyond this point less it be hijacked and we may have a religious war in here.

We cant really blame the majority of Moslems but the problem we have had in time past was caused by a select few who so much believed that fighting a Jihad war is a holistic approach to gaining the whole Al-Hujana but did God ask that folks be killed so that you may have life? Obvioulsy not!!!

Bennie, this is a good write-up, lets leave it there and then begin to search our sub-conscious if truly we are global brothers!!


Cheers,
WaleAkin

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Benedicta: you've no doubt written this piece from the goodness of your heart. But, pray tell, when you wrote: "War is not always the solution to violence..", and I take it in respect of the type of terrorism that wasn't to be in London and over the Atlantic, what exactly did you mean? There's no war in London, or the UK, except the silent war of murderous youths from the extremist end of Islam on the rest of civilised people. London's day will come (translation: one day, soon, the terrorists will succeed), but civilised people will continue this confrontation with extremism to the last man. Unlike the wussy European governments who negotiate with terrorists, all sensible governments everywhere know that the type of extremism we're right now dealing with is not one to negotiate with. It's the face of the new world, and the new world order. You saw what happened with the flight diverted to Boston; had there been any real threat, the fighter escorts will have downed that plane. Innocent people die; too bad. We have to keep ahead of them; there's no other choice. To negotiate (I shudder at the possibility!) is to kneel and beg; every man with dignity will not ever beg for his life in the hands of the trash of humanity. Responsible governments will have to be alert, cooperation will be needed, which is the reason the relations with certian countries will be crucial, and also why the current stance of alienating legitimate governments, however opposed to the US, is stupid; all that will change when the good American people have the good sense to vote in a non-fanatic as president. And, I fear for Europe; the Americans have been too nice; it'll be too much to expect them to come to Europe's aid, once again. When those sleeper cells begin to be roused, I hope we won't be witnessing the surrender of Europe to religious thugs.

Oghre: may one slightly disagree with you? All is not well (if it has ever been!) in the house of Islam. Take for instance the sobering statistic that 1 in 8 British Muslims support al-Queda style terror attacks; and these are morons who can't stand living in hard-core Islamic countries, who enjoy the freedoms of the West, and yet speak murderous nonsense from the comfort of their homes. Yet, there are very many peaceful Muslims who far outnumber the enemy. And yes, there's much to be said about the religion that serves as incubator for such monsters. But not to forget: Islamic countries have been very helpful in the fight against terrorism. The recent success in London included excellent co-operation from Pakistan. And, early in the days/months after 9/11, the US got mighty help from Syria on Al-Qaeda. The careful distinction between the terrorists and "regular" Muslims is essential; we can't afford to alienate all Muslims, neither can we do away with Islam.

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Fjord,


A friend of a thief is a thief, I am sure the rules are the same for Islam.

After the fall of communism, Islam is the single biggest threat to democracy and civilisation; I fail to see how a small number of fundamentalist can hold the majority of Muslims to such unquestionable ransom, unless they are getting a fair share of support from the “good ones”

Perhaps I might ask you this, apart from these Islamic countries who have very been “helpful” for political reason or some form of threat they also face from these terrorists, how many “good Muslim” have actually taken it upon themselves to remove the select “few” fundamentalists in their midst?

I keep hearing of the peaceful Muslim in the Sudan, Pakistan, Northern Nigeria, Indonesia and Somalia who somehow are a majority over the extremists but for some weird reason are unable to ostracise or remove or report or alienate them from their societies. It’s not uncommon later after an attack against innocents for these “good” Muslims to say they are law abiding but then wave flags in support of the terrorists, many even secretly help them logistically. When a backlash situation occurs, the political leadership then makes announcements blaming the west for these atrocities. It is not hard to see that the “good ones” either use the terrorists as bargaining chip or means of furthering Islam’s expansion causes.

The people of Southern Lebanon claim to be innocent “good Muslims” when the bombs started raining down on them but have accommodated Hezbollah for years, they continue to receive charity and welfare from the terrorist organisation. Such “good Muslims” should know you can not belong to both sides of the fence, and that if you are in complicity with terrorist then Israel has a right to kill you too whether your definition is that of an “innocent civilian”

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Dear Fjord,

I was talking of war in the context of the war against terror around the world.

Many thanks and have a great weekend.

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Oghre, Wale Akin and anybody else that want to take part in islam/moslem bashing, do your research before you make wild accusations.

The whole issue with the current war on terror arise from the illegal land grab by the state of Israel. For those of you that don't know, the middle east was a peaceful place until the creation of the state of Israel in 1948.

Lets deal with the source of the problem. The implementation of resolution 242 and countless other resolutions Israel have ignored will bring peace to the world.

The cause of the world problems are Christian fundamentalist like Bush, Cheney, Blair who want to impose democracy on everyone.

Another thing you all should be aware of :- 9/11, 7/7, the middle east war and the recent liquid bomb threat in London are all state sponsored. Don't be fooled by what you read in the media. Take 7/7 for example, A year down the line, no arrest have been made of their paymasters. Are we to believe these so called bombers did this on their own accord? The only arrest make was in the Zambia of an MI5 agent, whose seem to have exchanged calls with the bombers in the days leading up to 7/7.

The recent Liquid bomb treat is to put all gullible people on their toes as BUSH and BLAIR approval ratings is at an all time low. The middle east war is also conveniently no longer the top story.

Religion is no longer an effective control method, so govts now use terror. They pay for the terror and fight their own funded terror.

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Just to say i was born a Baptist. So don't mistake me for an islamic extremist

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Oghre: we risk being to general; sweeping generalisations will not do any good to the case. Now: agreed - and note the qualifications - extremist Islam is now the biggest threat to civilisation. And it's easy to see: how can 24 young men hold the whole of London to ransom? The reason is as clear as cloudless day.

It is too much, Oghre, to ask other Muslims to take out the Islamofascists. If it's difficult for the governments in the US and England to do, it's also not very easy for fellow peaceful Muslims to do. Take the case of the terrorist who blew up the bus on which Anthony Fatayi-Williams was on: one 'll be sure that the parents of this young man didn't know about it (of course, there's the nagging annoyance of the refusal of the father to explicitly condemn the act,except for the emotional response that his family is as much a victim as Anthony's mother; and well, the mother wasn't ever allowed to respond to the offer by Marie to stand with her and denounce terrorism), these men don't go around announcing their intentions. And there's the additional fear of reprisals from the muscle end of the Muslim community should there be open criticism of those considered martyrs.

One doesn't pretend that the matter is simple, but it is important to not lump every Muslim into this web. For British Muslims, it is about 1 in 8 supporting terrorism; this percentage is scandalous, but it is far from a majority. Islam may not be big on actively preaching peace, but we cannot deny that there are many peaceful Muslims who actively abhor terrorism and still claim that we're objective. There are quite loud and strong voices against terrorism in Islam, even in slumbering Europe. Sweeping generalizations will do no good.

May one, once again, say a word for the Southern Lebanese: they are - most of them - captives of Hezbollah as much as the kidnapped Israeli soldiers are. 40% of the Lebanese total population is Christian (significantly, the Parliament is about 50/50, Christian/Muslim). Marjeyoun, Jounieh, Ain Abel, Rmeish, Alma Aishaab are all Christian towns from which Hezbollah launched missiles at Israel; in Ain Abel, there were reports that Hezbollah was stopping civilian Christians from fleeing the towns. The Maronite union President had been quoted as saying that "90% of Christians, 80% of Sunni Muslims and 40% of Shi'a Muslims in Lebanon oppose Hezbollah"; these are not unreliable estimates. I think we simplify the Southern Lebanese issue too much by making it a matter of religion when discussing the ordinary Lebanese people.

And, of course, you very well know the friend of a thief isn't always a thief.

Benedicta: thanks for the clarification. The minimum condition for negotiation with terrosists are that they put away their object of threat, that they remove the guns and recognise the rights of the rest of us to live as we wish without depriving them of their rights; this is a very difficult thing for terrorists to do (Hamas, for instance, maintains in its sacred documents that Israel has no right to exist); how do you negotiate with such people? It gets worse: any attempt as making peace is interpreted by the terrorists as a sign of weakness: we just saw what they did with Israel: Olmert appeared weak, he's no Sharon, so did the Defence minister; time to strike, upon some nudge from the mullahs in Tehran. There's a chance what you propose will happen, but let's see if those on the other side would be willing to make the necessary concession: when Hamas recognises Israel's right to exist, say, then the two sides can formally sit at a table and negotiate as, well, equals. Right now, the terrorists understand only force. It's the price the rest of us have to pay. And importantly, we have to keep ahead of them. We must not blink, for each time we do, we're advancing Islam's ultimate goal of world political domination. We will support free peoples, help them in humanitarian ways, but never shall the West (not in our generation) submit to intimidation by Islamofascists; never.

P.S.: Oghre, of course, one'll also be waiting for the Muslims on NVS interested in commenting on the subject of terrorism to begin condemning it. That'll be a start of showing good faith.

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"P.S.: Oghre, of course, one'll also be waiting for the Muslims on NVS interested in commenting on the subject of terrorism to begin condemning it. That'll be a start of showing good faith."

We shall wait for the condemnations to start flooding in I won't hold my breath if I was you, in the meantime I leave you with some passages from the Koran.

I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them - 8:12.



O ye who believe! When ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own) he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell an evil refuge (indeed)! - 8:15-16.



It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself - 8:17.